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guys Ogier has 4 wins this year...does this sounds like second fiddle to you ???
it is absolutely normal when things clear for the championship a team to favour the guy with the best chances over the other....
if you cannot understand some basic things stick to watching ladys cups and your local village events...
Ogier was indeed no second fiddle this season, and he won 4 rallies. untill Loeb got higer up to the board of Citroen, and demanded and got an aplication to his new contract, saying he wil be no 1 driver and when teamorders are necessarily with Citroen Sport the driver having to follow that teamorders will not be him. The board of PSA were eager to keep Loeb in the team, so they accepted this application to his new contract. In 2012 Ogier will see more temaorders coming his way.
You got it wrong!Quote:
Originally Posted by alleskids
Loeb got a very good offer from VW and he was really considering leaving Citroen. Jean-Marc Gales (from the Citroen board) asked Loeb to stay, not the other way around! Loeb didnt "got higher up the board of Citroen and demanded".
How else would people speculate if he's changing teams or not. I've just written what I heard, who knows if I didn't hear what I heard and wrote it here NOT then someone would have just written that he IS looking at other teams this year! So sorry for writing something I didn't find obvious!
can you please post Loebs contract ? since you posts such things i am sure you had a look at it...post it please.Quote:
Originally Posted by alleskids
I know you do not believe anything which is not utmost positive on Loeb without legal proof, but why you do not ask ask Ogier, he has seen Loebs contract?
no need for legal proof...what i do not like is unbased speculations
Loeb got a contract in 2011 and everybody said that in this contract he will be considered No1 in 2012 and 2013. What you do not understand is that ogier signed a 3 YEAR contract (up to 2013) in which there are some rules in it...and i doubt that there is a clause for No2 driver in it (because he won this year, if he was No2 he would not be allowed to do so)...So unless Citroen are a bunch of amateur morons (which i doubt) i do not think they put a rule in Loebs contract which makes ogier No2 since that would lead to legal actions from ogiers part.
Please base your assumptions on known facts and not Ifs, maybes ects.
By the way how is archive searching goes Mr not12listen with a wife, an MR2 and a life??? no more lies to throw at Loeb ???
keep searching i can wait.
I dont think Ogier was signed until 2013, I remember both Loeb and Ogier were signed for 1 year with an extension clause, I might be wrong though.
When you go to work, there's boss. When he says something, you have to listen. So if citroen boss said to Ogier to pull over for 10 minutes, that's it. Otherwise you can be fired and find your place somewhere else. Quesnell thought Loeb would retire and that's why he wanted Ogier to be in the team. Next year it will be different with startegies. Every rally Ogier starts behind Loeb and day by day it's same. Few years ago Hirvonen won 3 or 4 rallies in one season and where's he now?! Second. My hat off to Loeb - king of WRC.
you are wrong Francis
“I’d like to thank Citroën for renewing its confidence in me, and what’s more, for three seasons! I made my world championship debut with this team, and I’ve always said that my priority was to stay with them. I’m thrilled at the idea of driving the new generation World Rally Cars, and of defending the colours of the make at the topmost level. Like Sébastien, I’m fully concentrated on the end of this season starting with the Finnish Rally, where I’ll be part of the Citroën Total World Rally Team for the first time!”
in 2010