4 degrees of camber

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Originally Posted by The Black Knight

I'll explain why you're wrong. I could go to the pub and drink 10 pints, drive home, not crash and get away with it. That doesn't mean it wasn't a stupid ****ing thing to do.

I'm not really expecting you to see this analogue but I figured I'd give it a shot.

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What you don't seem to understand is that there is no performance advantage to me drinking 10 pints. Running more camber than your competitors gives you an advantage.

I don't claim to know everything about suspension setups, but I do know that the more camber you run (up to a point of course), the more cornering grip you have, but there's a tradeoff in terms of tyre wear on the inner edges of the tyres. There's no driving advantage to having 10 pints of beer so your analogy falls down.

RBR chose to set their car up in a certain way despite the recommendations of their tyre supplier. It was a gamble which, on this occasion, worked perfectly for them with a 1-2 in the race. But that doesn't give them the right to expect to be exempt from the rules.

Imagine if they'd blanked off their brake cooling to air aero - nothing remotely illegal about that - but found it was leading to overheating. Would anybody expect them to be given dispensation to alter their car? And would anybody be blaming Brembo or whoever?

This looks like an excuse from the usual suspects to beat up on Pirelli again :\

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Originally Posted by Daniel

What you don't seem to understand is that there is no performance advantage to me drinking 10 pints. Running more camber than your competitors gives you an advantage.

I don't claim to know everything about suspension setups, but I do know that the more camber you run (up to a point of course), the more cornering grip you have, but there's a tradeoff in terms of tyre wear on the inner edges of the tyres. There's no driving advantage to having 10 pints of beer so your analogy falls down.

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Again, it was worth a shot but, as I said, I didn't expect you to get it.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

As Malbec stated, the FIA limit is 5 degrees of camber so they were legal.

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I'm going to have to put up my hands here and say my interpretation was wrong. There is no rule regarding camber.

I still think rbr was put in a spot by pirelli but by going against recommendations they took a risk. It happened to pay off for them this time but they wouldn't have had a leg to stand on if the tyres had failed

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Originally Posted by Dave B

RBR chose to set their car up in a certain way despite the recommendations of their tyre supplier. It was a gamble which, on this occasion, worked perfectly for them with a 1-2 in the race. But that doesn't give them the right to expect to be exempt from the rules.

Imagine if they'd blanked off their brake cooling to air aero - nothing remotely illegal about that - but found it was leading to overheating. Would anybody expect them to be given dispensation to alter their car? And would anybody be blaming Brembo or whoever?

This looks like an excuse from the usual suspects to beat up on Pirelli again :\

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I don't see what rules they've broken though Dave?

I'm sure they were monitoring things and if there was ever a chance of a tyre failure then bother drivers would have been brought in for new tyres.

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Originally Posted by The Black Knight

Again, it was worth a shot but, as I said, I didn't expect you to get it.

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Because your analogy doesn't work

Drinking more bear - no performance advantage
Running more camber - performance advantage

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Originally Posted by Daniel

I don't see what rules they've broken though Dave?

I'm sure they were monitoring things and if there was ever a chance of a tyre failure then bother drivers would have been brought in for new tyres.

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They knew there was that risk, and wanted to be able to change their tyres for the start of the race.........

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Because your analogy doesn't work

Drinking more bear - no performance advantage
Running more camber - performance advantage

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My analogy wasn't to do with performance gain it was to do with the action itself. Though, by driving myself home in a drunken slumber I would gain the money I'd have spent on a taxi home. So yeah, I gained something. Go me!

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Because your analogy doesn't work

Drinking more bear - no performance advantage
Running more camber - performance advantage

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Beer goggles can, sometimes, be an advantage....

Excessive camber = short term performance advantage against risk of tyre failure.

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Originally Posted by Malbec

I'm going to have to put up my hands here and say my interpretation was wrong. There is no rule regarding camber.

I still think rbr was put in a spot by pirelli but by going against recommendations they took a risk. It happened to pay off for them this time but they wouldn't have had a leg to stand on if the tyres had failed

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Completely agree. I really don't see how this is different for instance to Lewis Hamilton running on his inters too long that one year in Shanghai when he fell off the track. Didn't pay off for him, but if he hadn't have fallen off the track he'd have been in good shape.

At the end of the day this is racing and teams are forever pushing the limits regarding component design, sporting regs, tyre wear, fuel useage and so on. This is part of racing and I really don't see the fuss. They ran the tyre outside of Pirelli's recommendations so of course they shouldn't be allowed to change the camber settings after quali, but no rules were broken, there don't seem to be any "RBR drivers were laps away from certain death" stories and they won so who gives a ****? :)

People making up silly analogies about drink driving which are in no way appropriate doesn't help in this thread.