What are the top three differences between the new car and the old car?
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Originally Posted by FIAT1
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What are the top three differences between the new car and the old car?
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Originally Posted by FIAT1
One big difference between new and old car is that you have new reason for onother post therefore you can vin a medal for most posts written, and other two you will tell me after you drive new car yourself. Now read again and you will find that opputunity to advertise is to have pictures and story in every car magazine , sport pages in the paper etc. They need help and I think they missing it when they have a chance like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by SarahFan
Yes, of course you are right it was speed. All I was trying to get across was that we could keep the same speeds we have today and still make it look as if they are going much faster. Crowds LOVE oversteer. Some if the biggest cheers I remember were watching Montoya and Zanardi with opposite lock in a corner or sawing at the wheel.Quote:
Originally Posted by chuck34
Gary
The car mags and sports pages don't care because it's the exact same car.... Simply isn't a story...
And what does my post count have to do with anything? Nothing.... But nice deflection
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Originally Posted by FIAT1
Again, I'm not really disagreeing with you. But oversteer and opposite lock are not the fast ways around the track. They were doing that because they were a bit less than optimal on set-ups. Engineers now (I realized the situation you were talking about wasn't realy that long ago, but tech is much advanced) usually get rid of that, at least on the good cars. My point is that even if you designed cars to oversteer, required lots of opposite lock, etc, the engineers would fairly quickly figure out a way to eliminate it.Quote:
Originally Posted by garyshell
Now one thing that might help your point of view would be to go back to bias ply tires. That could make things interesting. :D
How is it the exact same car?Quote:
Originally Posted by SarahFan
V8 normally aspirated vs V6 single or twin turbos.
Single manufacturer engines vs multiple
Heavy "old" technology tubs vs new lighter more advanced tubs that reduce weight and increase safety.
Measures taken to address "flight" from interlocking wheels.
More aero coming from the undertray instead of wings, reducing trailing turbulence, increasing passing opportunities.
Different body work at least between ovals and road courses, if not from car to car.
I could go on. But I guess you're right in the sence that a Formula Continental, Formula Atlantic, '96 Reynard, '97 G-Force, DP-01, Ferrari F1, and this new Dallara are all the same. They all have 4 wheels and wings.
Just because I take a 2010 Camaro, replace the V8 with a V6, change the steel hood to a carbon fiber one and add stickier tires, and a chin spoiler to it doesn't make it a new car.Quote:
Originally Posted by chuck34
It's like Sarahfan says, if the new car isn't going to go faster what is the point?
So you swapped powerplants. Who cares. Is the new one lighter? Is it more powerful? More useable torque?
So there are new body panels. Big whoop. Does it make the car go faster?
Go pull out any number of different cars from the Indy museum and they would not only dust the current car they would also smoke the new one.
This was just one big giant exercise of futility. The new car accomplishes nothing.
here's the thing Chuck.....no one gives a flying F$%k the new undertray will produce less turbulence... heck the engineers will figure out how to produce it elsewhere becuase guess what,,,they dont want other cars following their cars too closely........Im a diehard prototypical indycar fan and i dont care..
this isnt rocket science..... this sport needs something to build on.....a shakedown at mid-ohio: YAWN!......
put Wheldon behind the wheel and go run an unofficial 244 at Fontana..... then instruct every driver, owner, official team member and tire changer to bring up how excited they are to run for a new track record at indy next may...
the times tribune hereld espn NSSN and sports illustrated will take notice......trust me, they dont care that lotus is going to make a new front wing that will essentially look like every other front wing for the past 40 years
But if instead of a 2010 Camaro, you used a prototype to a different design, it would be a new car. This is an all new tub. It may look the same on a quick look, but so would an F1 car to an untrained eye.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loneranger
So the "fans" keep b!tching about using museum/historic cars. Then they get a new one and they b!tch about it being "slow", and this before we even know it's speed. What do you want them to do besides use the DP-01 (which I honestly think would be the only thing to make some people happy).Quote:
Originally Posted by Loneranger
lighter, check. More powerful, I believe it will be on road courses when they turn up the boost. Useable torque, I haven't seen the dyno sheets so don't know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loneranger
They very well could. We don't know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loneranger
Go pull Bill Elliott's car from Talladega '88 and it will go faster than the current NASCAR car. So what?Quote:
Originally Posted by Loneranger
Some people only see what they want to see. Why not give it a chance before actually b!tching for a change?Quote:
Originally Posted by Loneranger
The people who want more passing in the sport give a F$%k.Quote:
Originally Posted by SarahFan
Maybe, maybe not. But if Indycar doesn't let them stray too far from the tunnel/wing ratio, I bet they don't. But let's see how things develop before passing judgement.Quote:
Originally Posted by SarahFan
Why not? Is it honestly all about a new record at Indy? I'm with you on that. I would love to see it. But it just isn't going to happen. But we very well may see new track records at road courses, and maybe even some short ovals if thing work out right.Quote:
Originally Posted by SarahFan
What in the world do you expect from them? A shakedown at Mid-Ohio is the first step in a multi-step process. You don't go out and run 250 at Indy the first time the thing hits the track. Back "in the day" when chassis changed every year the first step was always always a shakedown somewhere, probably Firehawk or Phoenix, that didn't have much fanfare. So what do you honestly want them to do?Quote:
Originally Posted by SarahFan
Fine. Let's go do 244 at Fontana. I've got no problem with that. But you DO NOT DO THAT THE FIRST TIME A CAR HITS THE TRACK!!!!!!!!. That would be utterly stupid, dangerous, and no one in their right minds would agree to that.Quote:
Originally Posted by SarahFan
They don't care about anything right now. I honestly think that if you went and did 244 at Fontana or 250 at Indy, you'd pretty much get the same reaction from the main-stream press right now. Hell when the Thrust SSC broke the sound berrier it barely got a blip from most media outlets.Quote:
Originally Posted by SarahFan