Top 10 greatest drivers of all time.

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Originally Posted by Rollo

I can't count. I have 11 in a Top Ten.

Sébastien Loeb - 7 WRC Championships
Jacky Ickx - 6 Le Mans 24 Hours, 1 Spa 24 Hours, 8 F1 victories, 1 Bathurst 1000
Eric van de Poele - 3 Le Mans 24 Hours, 5 Spa 24 Hours
Mario Andretti - 1 F1 Championship, the Daytona 500, USAC national dirt track champion, 24 Hours of daytona, an Indy Car Championship and 1 Indianapolis 500.
Graham Hill - 2 F1 Championships, 1 Spa 24 Hours, 1 Indianapolis 500
Tom Kristensen - 6 Le Mans 24 Hours, 5 12 Hours of Sebring
Michael Schumacher - 7 F1 Championships
Alain Prost - 4 F1 Championships (should have been 7)
No, it's easy. I'm right here :wave:

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I'll bite... To begin, I'll dare to say it should not have been 7 for Prost. It seems like Prost fans now have some kind of Schumacher envy? Prost won 4, and the 1989 one was extremely controversial as he initiated the championship deciding collision at Suzuka and the behind the door politics at FIA ensured that Senna is disqualified from Suzuka, thus unable to challenge for the title. So formally Prost won 4 titles, but it really should have been 3 IMO. Should have Prost won the 1990 title? I don't think so, not with the lane swap at the starting grid that he was granted at 1990 Suzuka GP.

In fact, I can argue the reverse. If Senna lived and raced to the age of Mansel's or Prost's retirements, he could have easily eclipsed Fangio and our days's Schumacher. Senna won 3 WDCs, but it could have been 6 since he died still too early in his career. Had Senna not died and stayed in Williams from 1994 on, he could have a chance to win 1994, 1995, 1996, and 1997, since Williams was a dominant car from the late 1994 for years, exiting the world of F1 with 6-7 titles to Schumacher's 5-6 titles.

In conclusion, long live Prost-Senna rivalry!

Point of fact: Prost was not granted a lane swap at Suzuka in 1990

1988 - Pole on the right (Senna)
1989 - Pole on the right (Senna)
1990 - Pole on the right (Senna)
1991 - Pole on the left (Berger) - and ironically in 2nd place on the right we find Senna

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Originally Posted by D-Type

Point of fact: Prost was not granted a lane swap at Suzuka in 1990

1988 - Pole on the right (Senna)
1989 - Pole on the right (Senna)
1990 - Pole on the right (Senna)

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Apologies. Should have researched more before posting this. However, you may have heard of that whole dispute. Senna won the pole position and demanded that the pole position has to be on the clean side of the race track. This petition was refused. This was interpreted as a favoritism towards Prost. Starting on the clean lane is extremely important. As many remember, as recently as 2012 USGP, Ferrari was willing to throw Massa under a bus to move Alonso one position up onto a clean lane.

In the light of this I do wonder, why didn't pole sitter in 1989 and 1988 complain about his side of grid? Was the racing line in a different side back then for some reason? Or perhaps Senna didn't possess this wisdom before the 1989 GP?

Yes, just part of the mythology that has grown up around Senna.

Remember that under the regulations at the time a driver could not make such a request - it had to be his entrant. So the scene in the Senna documentary where he accosts the Clerk of the Course [?] in his car is very illuminating. It tells us something of how Senna viewed his self importance. It offers one reason why the request was not granted.

-Michael Schumacher
-Mario Andretti
-Aryton Senna
-Carlos Sainz
-Jack Brabham
-Niki Lauda
-Alain Prost
-Dale Earnhardt Sr.
-A.J. Foyt
-Graham Hill

off course it's just my subjective

Musyarofah, welcome to the History Forum.

Threads on here tend to hang around for a long time and it's worth reading them through before posting. Did you read post #2?

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Originally Posted by D-Type

To make this more interesting, can I suggest that people should write a couple of sentences about each driver they list

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thanks for all information about motorsport.

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Originally Posted by D-Type

Yes, just part of the mythology that has grown up around Senna.

Remember that under the regulations at the time a driver could not make such a request - it had to be his entrant. So the scene in the Senna documentary where he accosts the Clerk of the Course [?] in his car is very illuminating. It tells us something of how Senna viewed his self importance. It offers one reason why the request was not granted.

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As a side note, I just watched the first 20 minutes of that film.

Any 'documentary' that includes the phrase, "He would take the car beyond its design capabilities" should be viewed with caution.

For me it's look like ;

1. Schumacher
2. Senna
3. Vettel
4. Prost
5. Hamilton
6. Alonso
7. Barrichelo
8. Kimi
9. Foyt
10. Webber

sammreddevilz,

Welcome to the History Forum.

Threads on here tend to hang around for a long time and it's worth reading them through before posting. Did you read post #2?

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Originally Posted by D-Type

To make this more interesting, can I suggest that people should write a couple of sentences about each driver they list

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