Movable Floors

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Originally Posted by ioan

So what FB had to say is:

<<"Now we understand why they banned the mass damper all of a sudden mid-season," Briatore told fans at the Bologna motor show. "This is because it wouldn't work with Ferrari's Bridgestone tyres, as their fronts are too wide.">>

Which is pure bullsh!t from a technical POV.

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LOL, just confirming again, you dont have any clue whatsoever what mass-dampers are, let alone how they work :D

and now you're calling Renault people technicaly untrained? you think they dont know what they are talking about? Seriously, could you possibly BE more ridiculous ? :D Just for the record, Renault's mass-dampers involved a 12kg weight moving up and down ballacing, when they fitted Bridgestone tires for the first time, the device would stuck, simply there wasnt enough room for it to work due to the different size of the new tires. then they realized why Ferrari was so keen on pushing on the ban. If you speak German and want to educte (and obviously, you do seriously need to) log on to f1total.com and search for "Massendämpfers" (sometimes also refered to as "Dämpfer-Urteil" in the German media). Alternatively, think before you talk rubbish (always a good idea)

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Originally Posted by ottostreet

ouch. there does appear to be a lot of tension when it comes to race though for some reason. people appear to get a little heated under the collar and seem to have to resort to personal insults for no obvious reason. there is a difference between being outspoken in your views and being plain rude.

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It's very complicated and has to do with adolescent adoration for drivers and teams rather than an appreciation for the competition itself. There is probably an equal dose of those that attack people that blindly support the character of drivers and teams despite evidence to the contrary. And then there are those that are devoid of the above afflictions and are quite interesting to listen to.

Anybody with any objectivity knows that the competitive environment was shamelessly manipulated by the series last year, whether or not Ferrari is benefiting in '07 has yet to be proven.

Just a quick question. Why were Renault fitting Bridgestone tyres to a car fitted with a device that had been banned for the best part of half a season?

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Originally Posted by tintop

Anybody with any objectivity knows that the competitive environment was shamelessly manipulated by the series last year, whether or not Ferrari is benefiting in '07 has yet to be proven.

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Of course, the problem is, that you just made a statement that could be considered subjective. ;) :D

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Originally Posted by Easy Drifter

I post on several other forums. This is the only one where I won't use my real name.
Think about that for a minute.

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Not that it has anything to do with this thread, but whats the connection between the atmosphere of the forum and you not using your real name? Are you ashamed to be a member? Because then there really is no reason to hang around in here.

Besides, its a cool forum, most of the times you can avoid the braindead driver bashing and discuss some real issues. Also, in case you havnt noticed, people in different forums tend to use nicknames and fun-names instead of their real namesm but just for the record, Im Martin Müller, enjoy playing the RC-boats, like Gerrman cars, Italian food and British humour :D nice to meet you :P

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Originally Posted by Hawkmoon

Just a quick question. Why were Renault fitting Bridgestone tyres to a car fitted with a device that had been banned for the best part of half a season?

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really dunno, ask them. :D the device was banned from races and not tests, during the winter teams really try all sort of things as you would imagine (basicaly thats the reason why they call it testing in the first place)

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Originally Posted by Hawkmoon

Of course, the problem is, that you just made a statement that could be considered subjective. ;) :D

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Not by anyone with any integrity or objectivity, it's a statement of fact really. Whether or not the manipulation disproportionately affected any certain team is, of course, conjecture. :D :D

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Originally Posted by ottostreet

..., im going to move on and give my opinion on the topic at hand now, which is whether ferrari are using illegal moving aerodynamic devices. no, i dont think they are, based on the fact i have yet to see any report of this where concrete facts are used. until they do, i believe they are legal. same as every other car.

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You are right. As of today the Ferrari and BMW Sauber floors are legal, to the way the rule is tested.

The question isn't whether or not they are legal, but whether or not they will remain legal, as the FIA will surely issue public or private opinions and perhaps new rules on the matter.

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Originally Posted by Hawkmoon

Just a quick question. Why were Renault fitting Bridgestone tyres to a car fitted with a device that had been banned for the best part of half a season?

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Good question. Perhaps they just wanted to see for themselves why Bridgestone shod cars didn't benefit from it as much as they did.

If it was Flavio that complained it was only because Ferrari's floor was moving more than his drivers!!!!

Let's see, Ferrari are cheaters and his drivers are "rubbish." Anyone else Flav wants to insult or accuse?

If it was RD complaining about the floor, you have to realize that sometime in the season he will complain about Ferrari at least once. He's just starting early this year. Maybe Ron should concentrate less on building enormous buildings, team haircuts, and prohibition of alcohol and just go build a winning car! (Then again, maybe he will convert Paragon into the world's largest dollar barber shop???)

the have rules to protest - put up your money or STFU simple as that