Libya no fly zone

He is calling a bluff. He's not moving any time soon. Britain is still upset about the Col. breaking it off in them and making them look stupid in the dying prisoner for oil deal.

England and France don't give a rat's ass about Lybia, what they are trying to prevent is 500,000 screaming Lybian refugees banging on their front door.

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Originally Posted by Hondo

He is calling a bluff. He's not moving any time soon. Britain is still upset about the Col. breaking it off in them and making them look stupid in the dying prisoner for oil deal.

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I'm afraid your analysis is flawed on the grounds that the British government has changed since al Megrahi was released, and whatever one may say about the current coalition, I don't think it will be bothered in the slightest by the previous administration's actions in that case.

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Originally Posted by Hondo

England and France don't give a rat's ass about Lybia, what they are trying to prevent is 500,000 screaming Lybian refugees banging on their front door.

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A) It's Libya.

B) 500,000? You exaggerate somewhat in trying to make your point. The notion that such large numbers would seek to make their way to the UK or France is fanciful. Italy is a different matter, perhaps.

No one wants them. There, is that better?

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Originally Posted by Hondo

No one wants them. There, is that better?

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Whatever, I would consider the current situation to be ample grounds for people fleeing. I very much doubt many will end up in Europe, though.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

How many people in countries occupied by tyranical forces or even perhaps slightly better countries like Britain in its colonial days gained freedom by walking out in the streets with flowers and singing about giving peace a chance and other such crap. Few people feel that military action should be taken for the sake of it, but I think most people agree that peaceful means of protest can only go so far and sometimes you've got to take military action and kill those who stand in the way freedom for the majority.

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Those arguments could also have been used in relation to Iraq, which is why I always hesitated using them in relation to Zimbabwe, and why I would hesitate to use them now in relation to Libya.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

How many people in countries occupied by tyranical forces or even perhaps slightly better countries like Britain in its colonial days gained freedom by walking out in the streets with flowers and singing about giving peace a chance and other such crap.

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not many I guess, here's one that might qualify though:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnation_Revolution
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Originally Posted by Mr Alcatraz

I think it is bad policy to promote democracy, and then completely absolve yourself of any interest in facilitating the dogma that you will summon, and stand on in a separate issue. France and the UK have already recognized the new provisional government. (I hope I'm not mistaken about the UK) Either, or could knock Ghadaffi into tomorrow if that is what it comes to.

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I completely agree.

Let's not forget there was a time that Col. Gaddafi was the popular choice, and still may be with the majority. I think outside agitation has a lot to do with all of this.