The US is totally under Israel's thumb

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24th February 2011, 21:53
Garry Walker

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Originally Posted by Eki

I think.

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24th February 2011, 22:50
Eki

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Originally Posted by Garry Walker

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Apparently you don't think. Just roll on the floor laughing your ass off.
25th February 2011, 00:03
JackSparrow

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Originally Posted by Rollo

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/ht...1----000-.html
Therefore, the Congress determines that the PLO and its affiliates are a terrorist organization and a threat to the interests of the United States, its allies, and to international law and should not benefit from operating in the United States.

Perhaps you can explain to me Eki why if the PLO have been declared to be a terrorist organization at law

Is this the same Congress that went to Iraq to find the biggest WMD arsenal known to mankind??? Get real, if the U.S government was a private entity they'd all be in prison for criminal activities!

Perhaps you can explain to me how KKK can freely operate here?? Arent they and all the skinheads terrorists as well??
25th February 2011, 01:05
Tazio

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Originally Posted by JackSparrow

Perhaps you can explain to me how KKK can freely operate here?? Arent they and all the skinheads terrorists as well??

The U.S. Justice system has busted the KKK balls. They hardly operate freely in the USA. The KKK and Aryan extremists are not a major threat in the U.S. They have continually been losers in civil matters (as well as criminal) and are for the most part impotent. The organization of KKK and white supremacists is called "The Church of Jesus Christ Christian". (so they actually operate as a religion) They are monitored closely. Urban gangs are much more dangerous, and constitute a greater danger to Americans than this pseudo-religion does. From what I read, and have seen these people are for the most part preaching racial purity, and the negatives of mixing race. Like I said, for the most part they are impotent. I am appalled by them, and think the real victims are their children that stand a very good chance of being indoctrinated into this extreme bigotry.
The US has not cornered the market on bigotry.
Not by a long shot. BTW The KKK is alive and well in the UK (Southern Wales especially)
People that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
Do you actually think the U.S. Gov. lets these people " freely operate" in the commision of criminal activity.
That is very naive
25th February 2011, 12:36
chuck34

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Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior

As even the Romans found, being in a state of constant war can get expensive. It can also lead to eventual ruin.

Yes, they could bomb poorly armed and unarmed people back to the Stone Age. In Afghanistan, we could do the same thing, couldn't we? Because we haven't and we probably won't, does that mean that we are under anyone's thumb? No. It simply means that like a man, no nation is an island either. Israel has for most of its modern existence relied on taking a convenient moral (holier than thou) high ground. What limits Israel the most (IMO) is the same thing that limits us: our standing in the world community. Let’s say Israel went "buck wild" on Lebanon or where ever. What would happen if the Chinese and other major trading partners, no matter what the UN did, decided to place an embargo on ALL Israeli made goods and halted trade with them? It would take a lot more than just U.S. assistance (or vetoes on the Security Council) to save their bacon then (no pun intended). Becoming a rogue nation, when you don't have oil or some other high demand asset to offer, is pretty much suicide. The desire for self-preservation is a basic human instinct. It has nothing to do with being under anyone's thumb.

I'm sure there are. Just as there have been discussions about how the U.S would fund the Israeli withdrawal from the West Bank. American taxpayers were put on the hook for the homes of the illegal settlers. They took the money. They left. And then they came back in even greater numbers. They didn't give our money back though. Oh well, that's OK. I'm sure they needed it more than we did.

I have no doubt that there are discussions about Israeli military operations. We know for a fact that the U.S. pressured Israel not to become involved in the Iraq conflict in the early 90's. But they were hardly "under our thumb". An Israeli attack would have destroyed the Arab portion of the coalition. So where Israel would have just had Iraq to worry about, they could have ended up in a war with various Arab states. Whether they could win or not is not the point. The point is, they could have easily ended up in another war. They basically sat behind the scenes and the conflict played out fairly well for all.

"No more goodies for you" to the extent that it would violate the Cranston Amendment would be a violation of U.S. law. And it would take an incredibly horrific event to overturn that law.

Look, I fully believe in Israel's right to exist. I just don't believe in my (the American taxpayer) obligation to be a "blind in one eye" sugardaddy to them.

You seriously can't believe that there is no pressure from the US on Israel not to do some things they want, Cranston Amendment or not (yeah the US always follows the laws on the books). That puts them at least a lot closer to being under our thumb than the US being under Israel's thumb.
25th February 2011, 14:55
anthonyvop

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Originally Posted by Eki

The US has vetoed a resolution condemning Israel, while all other members of the Security Council had approved it. Despicable. Maybe we should start to call the US TIRA (The Israel Republic of America).

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12512732

The more important question is why should we care about the U.N.?
25th February 2011, 16:19
Roamy

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

The more important question is why should we care about the U.N.?

Amen!! If we could only send the UN headquarters to Finland
26th February 2011, 19:10
Jag_Warrior

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Originally Posted by chuck34

You seriously can't believe that there is no pressure from the US on Israel not to do some things they want, Cranston Amendment or not (yeah the US always follows the laws on the books). That puts them at least a lot closer to being under our thumb than the US being under Israel's thumb.

No one is claiming that there is not pressure (but by both sides). The U.S. has been pressuring China to stop manipulating its currency for a number of years. They've taken baby steps. But since they have taken steps, would we say that the U.S. pressure means that China is under our thumb? I don't think so. And back to the Cranston Amendment, can you name even a single instance when its provisions have not been followed?

The U.S. has already paid once for illegal settlers to leave certain areas of the West Bank. They took our money (in excess of $100K for raggedy houses built with scrap lumber in some cases) and now they've largely returned. Pretty slick, huh? In fact, they're building more than ever in some areas... over U.S. and UN objections. From what little I've read on the most recent issue, it seems that they might be willing to chat with us about it, but they want something like another $3 billion in U.S. taxpayer blackmail... I mean, "aid". They may or may not get those extra ducats. But one thing is for certain, even if they hire Donald Trump (or recent convert Ivanka) to build them a casino and a McMansion on each plot of land, the existing U.S. aid will NOT be in danger of being halted.

From where I sit, it still looks like the tail is wagging the dog.

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