Pirelli

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

Even more fundamental irony #3 :
It easy to press a bunch of warm rubber from F1 tires together into a fist-sized ball to illustrate the point that they would be dangerous if they were that size . I've pressed a ball together , myself , only it was Bridgestone and Michelin rubber , not Pirelli .
And , it wasn't that big , as I wasn't trying to back up a controversial point in order print lines .

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Unfounded accusation. Unless you have proof for it.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Unfounded accusation. Unless you have proof for it.

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Prove they didn't.

The whole article is merely opinion apart from a couple of quotes totally irrelevant to the article.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Unfounded accusation. Unless you have proof for it.

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All I can say at this point is whoever finds the trick of how to make these designating tires last a reasonable amount of time will walk off with the championship, depending on how long it takes the other teams to copy them.
Even in the years of refueling super soft’s were still good for about fifteen laps. Without going off at the rate these appear to be.

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Originally Posted by skc

Prove they didn't.

The whole article is merely opinion apart from a couple of quotes totally irrelevant to the article.

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AFAIK the presumption of innocence primes over unfounded accusation that need to be proved first! At least in the civilized part of the world! :)

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Originally Posted by Mr Alcatraz

All I can say at this point is whoever finds the trick of how to make these designating tires last a reasonable amount of time will walk off with the championship, depending on how long it takes the other teams to copy them.
Even in the years of refueling super soft’s were still good for about fifteen laps. Without going off at the rate these appear to be.

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Fully agree!
The chewing gum Pirelli came to the game is laughable.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Unfounded accusation. Unless you have proof for it.

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I'm not sure you read my post too carefully .

I made no accusation .
I simply stated a fact .

It is easy to create a ball of that rubber . I've done it , myself .

Sure , I implied that the press could use such a ploy , but I never said they did .
It would work well to do so , though , wouldn't it ?

The site you quoted doesn't have any reputation for sensationalizing stories , do they ?

I'm also wondering why all the rest of the sites haven't carried that same photo .
At least , I haven't seen it anywhere else .

I would also have expected to have seen this elsewhere as well , because of the safety issue stated , due to the size of the pictured "super-marble" .
You'd have thought they'd be all over that , with insurance of fan safety pushing fans back farther at every new track and old .

I don't know , man .
It seems to me that most of the complaints have been about normal for guys going from the perfect "last the race" tire , to one mandated to be far less than perfect .
And , that is consistent with what Whitmarsh , head of FOTA said .

And , you know , the Macs are seemingly pretty slow so far .
That seems to be consistent with the old story of the tortoise and the hare .
Could this be Whitmarsh's strategy , and another reason for his defence of Pirelli ?

Anything can happen , and it probably will .


In the end , even if that pictorial evidence is to be believed , these are the issues which you hope to solve during this kind of running , and there is still time to correct them .

My understanding of 'marbles' is that they are the little pieces of rubber that scrub off the tyre due to abbrasion/friction i.e. due to cornering and breaking/decelerating.

The fact that chunks of Pirelli have been hurled off the tyre down the straights and onto the pit complex roof suggests tyres that, quite frankly, are so fragile, that they present a potential hazard to spectators.

In fact, as the Pitpass story suggests, the tyre rubber is so soft, it is chunking off the tyre, sticking to the chassis, building up to a size that creates enough drag to dislodge it and deposit it somewhere on the circuit.

I think there are some very nervous folk at Pirelli right now, especially as they are now trying to get support to have FP1 turned into a tyre test day.

It's not looking good, not good at all.

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

I'm not sure you read my post too carefully .

I made no accusation .
I simply stated a fact .

It is easy to create a ball of that rubber . I've done it , myself .

Sure , I implied that the press could use such a ploy , but I never said they did .

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Sure, then you can tell us what was the idea behind implying it if not that of accusing them of doing it?
Just asking.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

My understanding of 'marbles' is that they are the little pieces of rubber that scrub off the tyre due to abbrasion/friction i.e. due to cornering and breaking/decelerating.

The fact that chunks of Pirelli have been hurled off the tyre down the straights and onto the pit complex roof suggests tyres that, quite frankly, are so fragile, that they present a potential hazard to spectators.

In fact, as the Pitpass story suggests, the tyre rubber is so soft, it is chunking off the tyre, sticking to the chassis, building up to a size that creates enough drag to dislodge it and deposit it somewhere on the circuit.

I think there are some very nervous folk at Pirelli right now, especially as they are now trying to get support to have FP1 turned into a tyre test day.

It's not looking good, not good at all.

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Exactly!
Pirelli thought the war was won the day they have got the contract. They tried to dismiss the crappy consistency of their tires by saying that this is what they were ask to produce. The problem is that drivers were very vocal against their product, and even though teams are keeping their opinions more moderate they are unhappy and will not tolerate this crap for long.
Time for Pirelli to do their homework and if needed steal some engineers from Michelin or Bridgestone to get the work done properly!
Being the sole F1 supplier is great as long as you are doing a great work, like Bridgestone did, however the backlash is huge if things go wrong, as Michelin found out in 2005!

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Lewis Hamilton has warned the new Pirelli tyres will make the cars slower in 2011.>

I didn't think I was pushing very hard - and the tyres were finished after nine laps, down to the canvas. :eek:

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This is not good. The "Circus" could turn into a "Freak-Show" this season. This is not even taking into consideration the likely abuse the tires will take trying to gain positions at the start when the field is tighter and sudden braking (God forbid locking) and acceleration is most likely(and important). Pirelli needs to get the formula right, and pronto.

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