Arizona Congresswoman Wounded; Several Killed by Gunman

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Originally Posted by OWFan19

Had a law abiding gun carrying citizen been in the crowd, then maybe other lives would have been saved.

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I'm afraid I'd have to disagree there. Fortunately it is only a hypothetical scenario but what if you had two independant law abiding citizens carrying guns. Who would you shoot? Who's the bad guy? The cops turn up, and who do they shoot? The results don't bear thinking about.

If one has children in the house then I'm sure most people have them very securely locked away and hopefully not loaded (guns that is not children!). In that case how quickly can you get to the gun if you need it? All situations are different of course but if your house gets broken into by a guy carrying a gun are there more likely to be shots fired if you are similarly armed?

There needs to be serious discussion about limiting fire arm ownership.

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Originally Posted by shazbot

I'm afraid I'd have to disagree there. Fortunately it is only a hypothetical scenario but what if you had two independant law abiding citizens carrying guns. Who would you shoot? Who's the bad guy? The cops turn up, and who do they shoot? The results don't bear thinking about.

If one has children in the house then I'm sure most people have them very securely locked away and hopefully not loaded (guns that is not children!). In that case how quickly can you get to the gun if you need it? All situations are different of course but if your house gets broken into by a guy carrying a gun are there more likely to be shots fired if you are similarly armed?

There needs to be serious discussion about limiting fire arm ownership.

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Couldn't agree more.

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Originally Posted by shazbot

I'm afraid I'd have to disagree there. Fortunately it is only a hypothetical scenario but what if you had two independant law abiding citizens carrying guns. Who would you shoot? Who's the bad guy? The cops turn up, and who do they shoot? The results don't bear thinking about.

If one has children in the house then I'm sure most people have them very securely locked away and hopefully not loaded (guns that is not children!). In that case how quickly can you get to the gun if you need it? All situations are different of course but if your house gets broken into by a guy carrying a gun are there more likely to be shots fired if you are similarly armed?

There needs to be serious discussion about limiting fire arm ownership.

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yawn....subject already discussed.....i can not beleive anyone is reading all this stuff like it has any validity....thinking that it is all the gun's fault that some nut case pulled the trigger instead of planting a bomb; yes, it is everybody else's fault than his.....some are even blaming sarah palin. Funny is how stupid all this nonsense is...


RIP all the unfortunate victims too bad, we do not ban criminals from existence, but thaat would be too harsh, so say some

think i will take a nap....

Seems that she might recover after all. Good news.

Honestly markabilly I have no idea what you are trying to say. -

"I can not beleive [sic] anyone is reading all this stuff like it has any validity"

This tragedy is a perfectly valid reason to discuss the role of guns in modern American society.

"thinking that it is all the gun's fault"

Oh dear, please don't tell me it's not the guns fault. The gun is an inanimate object developed by man to kill. You can't separate the two - anthropomorphizing guns is nonsense.

"Funny is how stupid all this nonsense is.."

"we do not ban criminals from existence, but thaat [sic] would be too harsh, so say some"

No idea on these two I'm afraid.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Law enforcement is the job of the appropriate agencies, not private individuals. It concerns me somewhat that anyone would even consider endorsing the presence of random armed people in a crowd as a means of guaranteeing security.

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So in your world only the state has the right to decide who's life should be protected?

That really saddens me that people actually feel that way.

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

So in your world only the state has the right to decide who's life should be protected?

That really saddens me that people actually feel that way.

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"The state" is formed of people, all the people in that state, not just of one individual like Charles Manson or you. I certainly wouldn't want Charles Manson or you to have the right to decide whose life should be protected. And the state without people is nothing.

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Originally Posted by shazbot

Honestly markabilly I have no idea what you are trying to say. -

"I can not beleive [sic] anyone is reading all this stuff like it has any validity"

This tragedy is a perfectly valid reason to discuss the role of guns in modern American society.

"thinking that it is all the gun's fault"

Oh dear, please don't tell me it's not the guns fault. The gun is an inanimate object developed by man to kill. You can't separate the two - anthropomorphizing guns is nonsense.

"Funny is how stupid all this nonsense is.."

"we do not ban criminals from existence, but thaat [sic] would be too harsh, so say some"

No idea on these two I'm afraid.

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Without getting into my views, why not start a thread on the subject rather than hijack this one? What is done is done and our discussion here of how this people were injured and killed doesn't change the event.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

I couldn't agree more. You can fully understand why the USA of the past needed its citizens to be armed, but in this day and age why the hell do people need guns to defend themselves when it's more likely that a family member will use it on you than a armed robber.

I just wonder how many incidents like this have to happen for people to realise that anything other than a hunting rifle doesn't really belong in the hands of a member of the public.

It's fine to say that guns don't kill people and that it's nutjobs, but is there really any simple and effective way of weeding these people out? Even if they were most of these people can still get access to guns anyway.....

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The Second Amendment exists as a form of protecting the people from the government; which shows why this statement-- "You can fully understand why the USA of the past needed its citizens to be armed,- the last thing you do is understand why U.S. citizens are allowed to be armed.

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

The Second Amendment exists as a form of protecting the people from the government;

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Is the government a threat where you live? Here the government is a friend. I thought only in third world dictatorships people were afraid of their government.