Student Riots

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Originally Posted by Drew

Most people that graduate won't start earning £21,000 for quite a while, if ever. So realistically the government isn't going to get back most of the money it gives out. But hey, it sorts things out for the moment, so who gives a damn?

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Begs the question, why go to Uni if you have no chance of landing a job once qualified?

Seems rather pointless well other than taking you off unemployment figures and allowing youths the chance to get drunk and laid for 3 years.

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Originally Posted by Bolton Midnight

These students aren't the ones who will find a cure for cancer

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Not that cancer, given your views on smoking, worries you.

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Originally Posted by ioan

It's the same everywhere.
It is always the poor and the immigrant at fault never the stupid politician who sits on his hands 90% of his term and decides to increase taxes as it is a measure that gives them more money to play with.

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In the case of higher education, I would be very happy to pay more in tax in order to fund it properly.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Many would rightly argue that, in the past, being an engineer didn't require a degree. In many countries it doesn't, and a good technical training qualification that didn't come from a university is ranked very highly.

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They can argue whatever they want.
Repairing something that has been designed by a real engineer does not make one an engineer.

Sadly nowadays everyone thinks they are an engineer after learning how to tighten a screw, I profoundly disagree.

An engineer is the guy who you give a well defined scope statement and he delivers a well researched and thought product/solution.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

In the case of higher education, I would be very happy to pay more in tax in order to fund it properly.

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Me too, sadly the money will be certainly used to save another failing bank instead of securing the future of the society.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

So merely being academically gifted in subjects like history, a language or so on is insufficient? I detest the manner in which university is now viewed by many as a production line for industry, with learning for its own sake and that of pure knowledge now being viewed as an old-fashioned concept. But such is the way in which we are all expected to worship the private sector nowadays.

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:up: (and for the record I am an engineer working in the private sector)

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Originally Posted by AAReagles

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... and to those who live... well.... not "live", but are surviving in third world countries. That is of course if their leaders and/or customs permit them to.

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True.
The only way for the third world countries to evolve is through education. Sadly the powers to be do not have the interest to give the poor masses the knowledge they need to improve their own lives.

We live in a sad world, hidden in our shells where money should bring happiness.

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Originally Posted by ioan

They can argue whatever they want.
Repairing something that has been designed by a real engineer does not make one an engineer.

Sadly nowadays everyone thinks they are an engineer after learning how to tighten a screw, I profoundly disagree.

An engineer is the guy who you give a well defined scope statement and he delivers a well researched and thought product/solution.

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I agree absolutely with you, but it is true that such training does not have to be provided by a university. Not everyone in Germany who has the title Dipl.-Ing. has gained the qualification from a university, yet said title is very well thought of.

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Originally Posted by Bolton Midnight

Begs the question, why go to Uni if you have no chance of landing a job once qualified.

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Do you believe that a degree guarantees you a job?

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

I agree absolutely with you, but it is true that such training does not have to be provided by a university. Not everyone in Germany who has the title Dipl.-Ing. has gained the qualification from a university, yet said title is very well thought of.

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I know, this is why I preferred France, where you can not be an engineer only because you have had a technical degree and than worked 5 years in an workshop, followed by a very basic examination (this is how it is done in Austria for Ing who want to become Dipl. Ing.).
It is very difficult to learn in a workshop the theory that resides behind the design of technological products.
I know people who became 'engineers' in that way and believe me while I am convinced that they can repair almost everything, I would never ever use something they designed if my life depended on it.

One should not be called Diplom Ingenieur if they chose a screw's size using a table in a catalog instead of calculating the size of the screw after having determined the forces that will act on said screw and the coefficient of security needed based on the circumstances in which that part will be used.

But hey, this thread isn't about this, sorry for derailing it. :)