Oil Disaster in the Gulf

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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa

I read it Tony, still doesn't change the fact this mess was created through someone's screw up. You cant just ignore it if you want a commercial fishery in Lousiana if the shrimp grounds are ruined by this.

I think you keep forgetting that regardless of whose "fault" it is...it is a mess that that part of the world doesn't need. This isnt' some naturally occuring seep, but if it was, the government would still be trying to do something about it.

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Look at the big picture.
We need oil. We will continue to need oil for the foreseeable future.
The Oil Industry in Louisiana is worth TRILLIONS of DOLLARS. The Shrimping industry is worth a few million.
The Oil Industry employs tens of thousands and pays huge amounts of Taxes.
The Shrimping industry is collapsing even before the spill do to market factors.
Any damage caused by the spill will be temporary.

Yes it sucks to be a shrimper in Louisiana right now but Sh*t happens and they will be compensated by BP.

Even though this was a freak accident We just need to be even more diligent with drilling safety.

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

Look at the big picture.
We need oil. We will continue to need oil for the foreseeable future.
The Oil Industry in Louisiana is worth TRILLIONS of DOLLARS. The Shrimping industry is worth a few million.
The Oil Industry employs tens of thousands and pays huge amounts of Taxes.
The Shrimping industry is collapsing even before the spill do to market factors.
Any damage caused by the spill will be temporary.

Yes it sucks to be a shrimper in Louisiana right now but Sh*t happens and they will be compensated by BP.

Even though this was a freak accident We just need to be even more diligent with drilling safety.

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I didn't say we didn't need oil. I am just not ready to adapt the attitude this isn't a big deal and BP should have more than a handslap for it. This is their operation, and they now have a well that has put crude over a large segement of the Gulf. Ya, they will pay restitution for this and that is all well and good, but this isn't some oops...this is a major screw up.

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

Look at the big picture.
We need oil. We will continue to need oil for the foreseeable future.
The Oil Industry in Louisiana is worth TRILLIONS of DOLLARS. The Shrimping industry is worth a few million.
The Oil Industry employs tens of thousands and pays huge amounts of Taxes.
The Shrimping industry is collapsing even before the spill do to market factors.
Any damage caused by the spill will be temporary.

Yes it sucks to be a shrimper in Louisiana right now but Sh*t happens and they will be compensated by BP.

Even though this was a freak accident We just need to be even more diligent with drilling safety.

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I tend to agree Tony. We need oil, it's as simple as that and accidents will happen and even with the best of safety practice accidents will still happen.

Lets just hope that this is the last time a big incident like this occurs

There is no excuse for stuff like this though..... -> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8616880.stm I hope they get the crap prosecuted out of them.

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Originally Posted by gloomyDAY

Funny how you omit part of my statement to twist my words.

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Quoting or not your whole statement wouldn't have changed my answer, I hope this satisfies you, but most probably it doesn't.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Lets just hope that this is the last time a big incident like this occurs

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History says that humanity can't learn from it.

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Originally Posted by ioan

History says that humanity can't learn from it.

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Big business doesn't want to make these sort of mistakes twice though.......

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Originally Posted by Daniel

There is no excuse for stuff like this though..... -> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8616880.stm I hope they get the crap prosecuted out of them.

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This is what happens when a nation state pays lip service to safety and enviromental controls. The Chinese didn't care about this sort of thing and don't. The fact the reef was there is a just something they shrug their shoulders about. In the end, their government will shrug their shoulders, and I cannot see the Australian government getting any money out of the company for the clean up or ramifications.

Chinese industry is rife with corners being cut, poor working conditions and the like. What would the workers do? Complain to the Government? When you have that mentality running businesses, you can see why maybe the crew of the freighter would be also run by a captain who wasn't too competant or paying attention.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Big business doesn't want to make these sort of mistakes twice though.......

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Sure, but if each big business does it once it's more than enough to destroy Earth a dozen times.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Sure, but if each big business does it once it's more than enough to destroy Earth a dozen times.

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Hyperbole..and BS. The only thing that can destroy the earth a dozen times in one go is nuclear weapons, which the last time I checked, were controlled by governments. In the case of Pakistan, a very shaky one who might be controlled tomorrow by a religious zealot. Like the one in Iran who is working on a nuke.

Big business has it in their interest to protect their world and their clientle and customers. You make more money by doing things right, than by screwing the people you sell to and the planet they live on. Of course...some people don't get that..but for the most part, business does get that...

Now according to the usa today the whole cleanup has had no long term effects on the spill and are seeking other measures to mget things under control.A waste of time and money not to mention the loss of life to the minrine life affected.The bouys just aren't doing what they had hoped thet'd do.