Hamilton's Driving

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Originally Posted by Sonic

:rolleyes:

So why is my fave driver a German-ish? Lewis is a pr@t but today didn't do anything wrong (well at least not alone).

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I wasn't aware you shared Wilko's views, Sonic. In fact, I never thought you did or would.

In fact, I put you in a much higher class than his sort.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Tbh I'd forgotten about what Hamilton did to Vettel because of what happened about 30 seconds later but yes that was dumb.

You don't get it. You really don't get it. I never said Jenson's driving was erratic in terms of acceleration or decelleration or weaving. Neither did Brundle, what Brundle said was that Jenson failed in his obligation to drive in a manner which was not liable to cause an accident. Tbh if Jenson had done that in a dry race then it would have been fine. But

1) It was damp
2)We'd just had a safety car so people were on coolish tyres
3) Some people were on slicks
4) Some people were on rather worn intermediates

etc etc and if you don't get that then there's little hope. All it would have taken would be one driver misjudging things and there would have been a stupid pileup, thank god Shanghai is one of Tilke's uberwide borefests or there wouldn't have been room for everyone to get out of the way.

There seems to be a school of thought that if someone's reckless actions didn't cause an accident this time then it's all good. That's just complete BS. PSfan has come out and found the reg anyway which shows how much of a ballbag Jenson is and that what he did was wrong.

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actually that was what Brundle said it was, he pinpointed the erratic part in his first assessment IIRC.

then you have made 4 qualifications of why it was dangerous and then mentioned another to give context that really should be one of the reasons it wasn't dangerous - its an ultrawide tilke borefest which meant there was plenty of room and runoff so there is room to get out of the way. maybe the stewards took that into account and decided that was enough for them.

its nothing to do with think thinking its ok cos the reckless action didn't cause an accident this time, its because i don't think it was a reckless action.

because the reg exists doesn't mean it was broken

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Originally Posted by F1boat

I am very happy that there are no penalties. Once again the new FIA under Todt shows that it does not want to mess with the race results. That's what I hoped to see from Jean!

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I agree with you. I was growing weary of the FIA, and certain hack stewards, playing with results after the race... especially since their calls often lacked consistency. If they can't make a call during the race, it should be something VERY exceptional for them to change a result afterwards.

The pitlane thing could have gotten someone hurt. But Mr. Vettel also could have moved over without giving up his position, or at least not put the squeeze on to keep Hamilton in that slow lane. I agree with the stewards' decision.

The few flaws and incidents aside, I saw this race as an example of the truly best drivers in the world doing what they do best. So I'm certainly not in favor of putting them in dresses and having them dance around like a bunch of limp wristed pansies. I'm not suggesting any of that hack rubbin' is racin' stuff. But let the dogs hunt!!!

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Originally Posted by Robinho

actually that was what Brundle said it was, he pinpointed the erratic part in his first assessment IIRC.

then you have made 4 qualifications of why it was dangerous and then mentioned another to give context that really should be one of the reasons it wasn't dangerous - its an ultrawide tilke borefest which meant there was plenty of room and runoff so there is room to get out of the way. maybe the stewards took that into account and decided that was enough for them.

its nothing to do with think thinking its ok cos the reckless action didn't cause an accident this time, its because i don't think it was a reckless action.

because the reg exists doesn't mean it was broken

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Surely you must realise that there's a tiny tiny difference in F1 between what is nearly an accident and what is a monumentally big accident. Now I'm not going to make it sound like Jenson's actions were going to get anyone killed or seriously injured because that's just not true, there was the potential for a massive pileup and retirements etc etc and that's just not fair.

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Originally Posted by tamburello

I wasn't aware you shared Wilko's views, Sonic. In fact, I never thought you did or would.

In fact, I put you in a much higher class than his sort.

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:rolleyes: If his sort don't call people names based on little more than their nationality then, tes I'm right on board with Wilko's class.

Peace and love. :)

Sonic out.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Surely you must realise that there's a tiny tiny difference in F1 between what is nearly an accident and what is a monumentally big accident. Now I'm not going to make it sound like Jenson's actions were going to get anyone killed or seriously injured because that's just not true, there was the potential for a massive pileup and retirements etc etc and that's just not fair.

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yeah i realise that, i just don't think that this case was anywhere nearly as serious as you do

I can't see much issue with the pit lane thing as they were released about the same time. There was no blame to the team as it was a split second decision to release him and perfectly correct at that time.

What screwed it up was lewis getting buckets of wheelspin letting Vettel get alongside.

Thankfully it has all been looked at and no further action will be taken apart from reprimanding them both.

This battle is really bubbling up isn't it?

He is not near as bad as MS - Hell he is exciting - leave him alone.

The gate to the pit lane is marked with white lines and so are the pit itself. Driver are supposed to stay inside thoose. Lewis overtook Seb outside thoose lines. Seb drove inside thoose line in the pit, Lewis didn´t, he was trying to force his way in front of Seb, INSIDE THE PIT.

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Originally Posted by Mia 01

The gate to the pit lane is marked with white lines and so are the pit itself. Driver are supposed to stay inside thoose. Lewis overtook Seb outside thoose lines. Seb drove inside thoose line in the pit, Lewis didn´t, he was trying to force his way in front of Seb, INSIDE THE PIT.

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Do you have a rule that backs that opinion?

I'm not questioning your view, just wondering what the current rule is. I personally thought both of those overtakes on the pit entry could have caused major issue. If the current rule allows it, I think it's a poor rule. I have no problem with racers racing, but most pit entries are very small, and a driver on the inside could easily force one of the two into a wall or gravel trap. This doesn't so much bother me, but the fact that the next driver entering the pit might encounter a totally blocked track does.



As for the Lewis and Vettel incident on pit release, on first view I immediately thought Lewis should have been penalized. Upon slow motion replay I changed my opinion, and thought that if anything Vettel forced the bad situation. Once side by side Vettel gave Lewis no room at first, and the only way Lewis could have backed off was to move further towards the pit boxes, as otherwise their wheels could have tangled.