Gee, just listen to you all, will ya?
All above sound all pat, and then you run that Guatanamo thingy. No wonder every civilized country laugh behind your back.
US of A, the brat of Terra.
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Gee, just listen to you all, will ya?
All above sound all pat, and then you run that Guatanamo thingy. No wonder every civilized country laugh behind your back.
US of A, the brat of Terra.
Well if you would take all these f___ks we would probably close it !! Cmon step up !!Quote:
Originally Posted by ErkMa
Yes...the civilized thing would have been to kill those mooks on the battlefield and no one would have been the wiser. Silly Americans, actually thinking that putting out of uniform combatants in an POW situation would actually be of benefit to them?Quote:
Originally Posted by ErkMa
An Uncivilized hostile war criminal state wouldn't have taken any prisoners.....
Can you name some hostile war criminal state who hadn't take any prisoners then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa
I'm quite sure the USA doesn't keep Guantanamo Bay for just humane reasons but to extract information from the prisoners. Haven't the defenders of waterboarding and other torture defended their actions saying it could save some American lives?
They may want the information, but considering waterboarding is done as part of US military training, I would hardly put that form of torture in the same class as beating people to a pulp and hooking car batteries up to their gonads. Your friend Saddam Hussein had no issues with that but I remember your valient defense of his regime when the US invaded.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
Is Waterboarding morally correct when you are trying to stop terrorist attacks against your homeland? Depends on whether I guess your family will die or not. I don't like the US waterboarding anyone in Gitmo, but the US soldiers that the Taliban and Al Quaida have taken have suffered FAR worse and have at times ended up beheaded or dead. I find it annoying you always IGNORE those crimes against humanity.
They aren't carried out by an organized government who claims to be modern, humane, democratic and all other good stuff. If you're evil, just be honest about it, and it wont be as annoying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa
"As part of US military training"? How about doing it to US civilians as part of their every day life? When I was in the army, we had 50 km ski marches, over 100 km bike marches and sometimes we had just 2 or 3 hours sleep a night. I found it quite unpleasant, like I think many civilians would.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa
So if you are a dictator and you admit to being one, that makes it alright? Some logic there, even for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
No...the US SHOULDN'T be doing waterboarding, but unlike many of their enemies, there is a robust debate in the US about the merits and pitfalls of it, and waterboarding has no physical long term effects, and considering the paranoia in the wake of 9/11, it is at least understandable, if not still wrong. I guess your standard you are holding the Americans to is fine but again, when I see you start threads bemoaning the torture of American solidiers and civilians, I will take your comment with a little more validity. Unlike you, my agenda isn't ignoring all of what is going on.
If the Finnish Army waterboarded you as training for resistance of interrogation techniques, I wouldn't quibble. If you sign up in the army as a volunteer and that is part of the training, that is part of the training.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
Your point is missed by me. The point I am making that if waterboarding is such a great evil, then why is the US Military able to legally incorporate it as part of their training of officers to resist interrogation? It isn't pleasant, but again, it isn't causing any lasting damage. Again, many of the people the Americans are fighting against, including some of those mooks in Gitmo would be quite happy to hook your privates to a car battery just for the sheer entertainment value. Beheading journalists on camera and sending the video out to the world obviously missed your perview......
bilateral treatment:
The Taleban have one of ours and however he is treated will dictate how we treat our captives.