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A wrc car driven by Loeb or Mikko may be better than a group n car driven by say Nassar but Sandell in a S2000 is better to watch tha Wilson or Compac in a WRC
in other words id prefer to see 10-15 good drivers in s2000 cars than 5-6 good drivers in WRC cars followed by a few scarletrixs cars that sometimes struggle to beat the pwrc guys
You got the point. WRC cars are not allowed in most of Estonian rallies and Group N is the highest level. So, I must admit that first 5-10 drivers are more spectacular than 90% of WRCars I have seen on the same rallies on the same roads. The point is that when you have drivers who drive on absolute limit then it is not so important is it Group N, WRC on S2000. They are almost always very spectacular. And you need good competition to put the drivers on absolute limit. I saw it in last Estonian rally (Tallinn rally)Quote:
Originally Posted by Darren Jones
and you can see from the results: http://autosport.ee/rallyreg/?page=3...race_ss_id=53&
That the difference between 1 and 11th driver is only 43 sek. And it was really nice to watch all the time how big effort they all made too keep or gain a position!
Let’s hope we can sometimes see the same in WRC.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluuford
Take a look at the end of this video (at 9'50" more or less) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqPuPVyOOJc&fmt=18Quote:
Originally Posted by Torsen
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Good point Helstar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Helstar
I think the people who think WRCars are still good to watch on dry asphalt are living in the past, because the fact of the matter is that a current World Rally Car probably slides less on dry asphalt than an S2000.
Let's hope the people making the new rules for WRC aren't of the same opinion, otherwise they will be sleepwalking into disaster.
Maybe not even remotely associated, but you never know........British Touring Car Championship bring in new rules for 2011.
The 'Next Generation Touring Car' regulations will incorporate a switch to a front-wheel drive only, and 2-litre turbocharged petrol engine formula that rules out cars like the SEAT Leon TDI and the BMW 320si.S2000 and BTC versions of these cars will still be allowed to compete with equalised performance levels until 2013.
Spec six-speed sequential gearboxes, ECUs, turbo wastegates, brakes, hubs, fuel tanks and steering racks will be sourced and price-capped by TOCA to ensure a reduction in spending, while a TOCA-branded powerplant will also be available for £25,000 per year for teams not wishing to conduct their own engine development programmes.
A move to 18" wheels, coupled with a predicted 300bhp output from the turbo engines, is expected to increase speeds, as is a move to slightly larger cars than currently.
It is estimated that a full car, complete with engine, will be available for around £100,000 new, around 50 per cent of the cost of an S2000 machine.
Would be one h@ll of a shock if WRC commission makes rallycars 2 wd again, (Max himself said that he favoured 2wd for rallycars some 15months ago) If not the eqivalency factor could conceivably be used in WRC to allow the IRC manufacturers a chance to run with existing world rally cars to 2013 when a 1.6T could come in.
While I dont follow the British Touring car championship at all, I think thats kinda of a a brave, but good move moving to those regulations.Quote:
Originally Posted by MJW
As a general rule touring cars dont have the need to be sideways as a rally car so the 25,000 grand standard engine (pretty cheap really for a motorsport engine) along with FWD should work quite well.
If Max even gets a little bit excited about going to 2WD for top level rallying, hes a dead man! What would be the point of having an AWD road car (WRX, EVO etc.) being quicker over a stage than a 2WD rally car if the conditions went suited to the rally car?
I do especially like the idea of the price cap of equiptment expences. Ive had the same idea for quite a while and as far as I can figure, the best way to keep the costs down and the competivnes up is to allow a certain budget, arrange a certain selection of components with fixed prices and teams can mix and match from those components to build their cars as long as the budget isnt breached.
The end result is that your car may be strong in some areas (ie. more powerful engine) but suffers in others (ie. suspension setup).
A Group N car only looks slower when its competing against WRC cars. The BRC has banned WRCars and with Gr N being the top level the top 6 or 8 cars always appear to be 'on it'! however sound restirictions in the UK mean they are very quiet compared to European events!
As only the top few drivers in any championship are really going to be exploring the limits of their cars I personally would rather see a couple of mediocre driven S2000 cars than a couple of average WRCars - in this instance the aural benefits outweigh the technology!
I also think this is the only way to control and cut costs. The manufacturer of springs, dampers, turbos, gearboxes, ecus etc. would homologate the parts and the parts would have a max price. Also if the cars would have a max track instead of a max width, even the drive shafts could be standardized. Nowadays the WRC teams also put a lot of effort (=money) taking off few hundred of grams from here and there from the engine parts and instead puts ballasts to the rear to get a better weight balance of the car. This could be prevented by setting a fixed front/rear weight distribution, for example 53%/47%. This way a privateer or a private team could acquire parts for a competitive car.Quote:
Originally Posted by grugsticles
Are there any rumors on what will be presented on the June FIA meeitng as the new WRC format ?