Maybe we can just throw the people living there to Sweden? It's a nice place to go fishing you know. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by A.F.F.
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Maybe we can just throw the people living there to Sweden? It's a nice place to go fishing you know. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by A.F.F.
good ideaQuote:
Originally Posted by Woodeye
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Originally Posted by A.F.F.
Yes my significant other went to university for a few years for her teaching degree and earns less than the people who drive petrol tankers around. Way to reward people who have a hand in educating every young British child over someone who does a job which doesn't require years of study :mark:Quote:
Originally Posted by L5->R5/CR
Indian company Tata now own Jaguar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Woodeye
Ford sold their stake in Mazda only a few months ago
and GM sold their stakes in Fuji Motor Industry (Subaru) just before Ford sold Mazda.... :) Depts.....!
Daniel, it's worse by miles here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
OZ, NZ and UK don't require a Masters Degree plus a year of field work, 7 years total. to teach petulant spoiled suburban kids the simplistic stuff that passes for an "education" in the US (all the while assuring everybody that little Billy is a genius).
Some years ago I sold a Saab 96 to a History Professor from Christchurch University in New Zealand who was doing a year long study in the US so when they came to Seattle to pick the car up I had a little dinner at a friends place.
His wife was a English teacher and when we talking about the educational systems of our respective experiences she mentioned that her school district has 10-12 visits annually from US educators (both teachers and bureaucrats) who, as she said, "were amazed at the reading programs and reading levels" of the NZer kiddies. This was relative to the US levels the US peeps were used to. I asked her how many years were required for a certificate to teach elementary or primary school (because I think those years are the most critical to establishing reading habits) and her answer was "2 (or 3) years. Why?" I 'splained about the Masters Degree + requirement in many parts of the US.
She was thunderstruck, had a hard time believing it and it was good that the house where we were having dinner was a good friend and customer who taught a a local Junior College, and he could confirm what sounds like a bad joke.
There's a bumpersticker i see occasionally here which sums it up well: You think and education is expensive? Try ignorance.
That being as it is however I still wonder where some people of dubious utility to the world, whose productive contributions to keeping the country moving is unknown and likely quite negligible have the arrogance to refer to other people as monkeys as we see in the following contemtuous and contemptable statement;
That is the result of the US "educational" system where they aren't taught to a statement in sympathy with one group of workers does not by any means mean that the succinctly put "stuffed up" wage situation of another group of workers is all peaches and cream. How a person could even infer that shows an utter incapacity to think.Quote:
Originally Posted by L5->R5/CR View Post
It is kind of messed up to defend the pay of an assembly line monkey when teachers are lucky to make more than $35,000.00/year in our public schools...
But it does show the hatred that too many comfortable very well fed suburban Americans have for their fellows.
As I say, for some, it's always the little guy, the poor, those who look, or speak other ways who are "at fault".
Seems that in addition to logic, they don't teach compassion or sympathy in US schools either.
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Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
John,
Get over your socialist delusions and enter the real world.
I don't see the employees of Nissan or Toyota living in slums in the South, where the UAW isn't gorging itself on distorted wages and corrupt political influence.
To defend the wages of a non-skilled laborer being upwards of $45,000.00/yr isn't compassionate, it is delusional.
There are plenty of laborers who work in manufacturing who receive a fair wage which reflects their productivity, their level of efficiency, as well as the market rate for their efforts. To defend the patently distorted compensation that the UAW has been able to extort from the automakers on the grounds of compassion is pure insanity.
If these individuals were struggling to break the poverty line and were putting in a hard 40+ hours a week I would have plenty of compassion for their situation and would defend their right to adequate pay. But these people are receiving inflated wages with so much job security insulation as they are not where near being anything close to efficient.
But it is utterly pathetic to defend the tactics of the UAW, especially to defend their wages as reasonable.
And don't give me some mamby pamby BS about being a white suburbanite. I will be at best a second generation white collar worker, I have complete and utter appreciation for the kind of toils that blue collar workers go through, and I only need to see my grandfathers inability to get out of bed because of his back problems (problems he earned with 40 years working on assembly lines) or watching my uncles loose their jobs to plants in China. I understand the situation that many blue collar workers face.
To defend the UAW is to spit in the face of these individuals who have given their adult lives to hard work and earning their pay based off of their effort and skill, not some political hacks wheeling and dealing.
The problem with the American automakers is systemic, the only way to fix it is to wipe the slate clean, that includes eliminating the UAW from the equation.
I can fullheartedly recommend a Volvo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Woodeye
Yes I´m happy whit my Volvo. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by jonkka
What happens if Ford goes bankrupt?
Ford never goes banktrupt. :s mokin:
For who is interested in: Ford want sell Volvo and Saab is still GM property.Quote:
Originally Posted by jonkka