Was Lewis passing Heikki legal?

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Originally Posted by Shalafi

Heikki said that to MTV3, finnish TV, after the race. Then later when he came out from McLaren motorhome, he was much more reserved with his words...No doubt RD had done his "magic" again...

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Heikki has every right to be unhappy because team orders benefit one driver, just as Lewis was unhappy in Monaco last year.

But really Heikki should really be angry with himself because Lewis is digging deep to make things happen and Heikki is struggling at times.

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Originally Posted by Valve Bounce

Give it a break, ioan. I can't say more or I'll get banned. :(

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Originally Posted by Valve Bounce

I said ultimately ioan. :rolleyes:
Lewis went on to pass both Junior and Massa, while Kovi never looked like closing the gap to them.

The way I saw it, Kovi may have been able to hold Lewis up for, at the most, a couple of laps but Lewis would have passed him with no more difficulty than the way he passed Junior and Massa.

Of course you might have seen things differently.

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There is another angle Valve. Yes LH went on to pass two other cars and ultimately win the race (and I think LH is a brilliant driver, he amazes me at times the way a young Schumi did), but if LH had been rightly forced to have raced his teammate for the position, there may have been a collision which put LH out of the race. Its called a racing incident. The result would have been very different then. HK's actions negated that possibility and prevented the viewers the chance of possibly seeing a first time winner in a Renault. That is the reason the team order rule was introduced. As it is we dont have enough overtaking.

It is a long shot that LH and HK would have had an incident or that one of them may have gone off the track during a genuine overtaking attempt, but the remote possibility was removed by a blatant team move which contravenes the team order rule.

I hear X-Files will be shown in the Cinema soon.

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Originally Posted by Valve Bounce

I hear X-Files will be shown in the Cinema soon.

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:laugh: Not interested. I only watch XXX-Files :D

What if HK kept Hmilton behind himself long enough to deny him the chance to catch Piquet?!

There are plenty of questions to be answered, and plenty of scenarios to come up with.

In the end, I'm all for team orders.
However I'm against hypocrisy!

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Originally Posted by ioan

In the end, I'm all for team orders.
However I'm against hypocrisy!

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:up: My feelings exactly. Apparently our feelings are wrong no matter what and other hard arsed ones round here are always right :( There is a definite pecking order when it comes to being "right" round here :down:

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

:up: My feelings exactly. Apparently our feelings are wrong no matter what and other hard arsed ones round here are always right :( There is a definite pecking order when it comes to being "right" round here :down:

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Whatch that chip doesn't fall off your shoulder and crush a toe ;)

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

Here's a stupid rule .

This was a team order .
Ron might have said it in a less blatant way , but it was most definitely a team order .
He even praised his driver afterwards for getting the message .

Though what had happened was very clear , the way Ron worded that message made it so he had completely complied with the rules regarding team orders .

Did I mention that this rule is stupid ?

Team orders are essential , and used regularly at every team , but are expressly forbidden , unless worded in the correct manner , so as not to seem blatant , even though they might look obvious enough to cause heated debate even when worded properly .

If you word it right , you can even thank your man for pulling over .



I wonder what the punishment would have been , had Ron just said he wanted Heikki to let Lewis by .
That would have been horribly illegal .

Just so nobody gets the wrong impression , I want to state that this rule is stupid , in my opinion .

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That was a brilliant drive by LH. If this is the best detraction that his detractors can come up with,
it is pretty clear that he deserves congratulations, not reservations, and qualifications!
Not a good situation to invoke this rule!

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Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior

Excellent post!

Since some of the fanboys here seem to have proof that McLaren used team orders, wonder why they don't forward that information to the FIA? And since Heikki was apparently so fast... wonder why he didn't come in 2nd? :rolleyes:

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The opposite is also true. Do you have any proof they did not do it? Because it sure looks like they did. Anyway just remeber to stick to you story when the opposite will happen.