Was it McLaren or was it Bridgestone?!

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Originally Posted by ioan

Where did BS say they recommended a 3 stops strategy :?:

It was Lewis who wrongfully claimed (read that as lied) the BS required them to go for a 3 stopper strategy (and the team was fast to point out that this was wrong), thus the contradiction I was talking about in the first post.

Here's what Hamashima declared (from your second link):


That's a 2 stops strategy like everyone else did, and it means that the tire was working quite well in normal conditions, as you like to call them.
Bridgestone can't dream about the set up Lewis will use during a race. And the fact that Heiki had no problems whatsoever is clearly pointing out that it's a driver related problem and not a tire related one.

Don't try to put this on BS back, it's all on Lewy's back and he was the one lying about it in first place (see post race conference).

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No matter what the truth of this particular situation is, I don't like the way the words 'lied' and 'liar' get thrown around on these forums these days with no evidence to back them up. It creates a really unpleasant tone. Lying about something is very different to saying something that turns out not to be true.

Knock-on, the problem was only with Lewis, not with McLaren, cause Heikki had no problem.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Lying about something is very different to saying something that turns out not to be true.

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Than what do you call a statement that is not true, when the one telling it is aware that it isn't the truth?!

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Originally Posted by Wikipedia

A lie is a type of deception in the form of an untruthful statement with the intention to deceive, often with the further intention to maintain a secret or reputation

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Originally Posted by ioan

Than what do you call a statement that is not true, when the one telling it is aware that it isn't the truth?!

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The situation you describe is a lie, but I don't see how it pertains to this particular matter.

I still maintain there's no need to get so wound up about these things, just because you happen to 'support' another team. As I always say, why not just sit back and enjoy the racing? Then we could all get on rather better here, with less in the way of unnecessarily inflammatory language.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Where did BS say they recommended a 3 stops strategy :?:

It was Lewis who wrongfully claimed (read that as lied) the BS required them to go for a 3 stopper strategy (and the team was fast to point out that this was wrong), thus the contradiction I was talking about in the first post.

Here's what Hamashima declared (from your second link):


That's a 2 stops strategy like everyone else did, and it means that the tire was working quite well in normal conditions, as you like to call them.
Bridgestone can't dream about the set up Lewis will use during a race. And the fact that Heiki had no problems whatsoever is clearly pointing out that it's a driver related problem and not a tire related one.

Don't try to put this on BS back, it's all on Lewy's back and he was the one lying about it in first place (see post race conference).

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If I recall correctly, Lewis said that the information they received from BS made them go for a 3 stop strategy.

Correct?

Also from BS was this:

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Commenting on the issue, Hirohide Hamashima, Bridgestone Motorsport’s tyre development director, said: “Bridgestone and the team had safety concerns which did influence his strategy, however he achieved a very good result. These concerns affected no other car on the grid, and we will be analysing the data to see what we can learn from this. We did see three cars finish the race after making only one stop, so durability was certainly strong for the tyres for these competitors.”

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Apparently, the Tyre Development Director from Bridgestone, the same one you mentioned, confirmed that their advice affected McLarens strategy.

I would imagine that they said something like "It's possible to run 20 and 38" but McLaren decided, quite correctly, that it was not worth the risk.

Therefore, there was no lie unless you apply your rather interesting application of the definition in which case you hold yourself in contempt as a liar.

Is that so?

At the end of the day we still have the same problem. A historical issue with the construction of the tyres cause them to fail. This has been happening for years and in different formulas. This is not overdriving a tyre and prematurely wearing them out but a fundemental flaw in their construction.

Apparently, some people on here think it's fine to race on potentially lethal tyres as it's only lewis that has experienced it this year. Shame i say :(

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

The situation you describe is a lie, but I don't see how it pertains to this particular matter.

I still maintain there's no need to get so wound up about these things, just because you happen to 'support' another team. As I always say, why not just sit back and enjoy the racing? Then we could all get on rather better here, with less in the way of unnecessarily inflammatory language.

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Benny boy, you may be a convoluted, politically correct, Daily Mail hating wind bag on occasions, but we love you :D

Spot on old chap :up:

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

Apparently, some people on here think it's fine to race on potentially lethal tyres as it's only lewis that has experienced it this year. Shame i say :(

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That's rubbish!

Knock , is it not possible to overdrive and completely rip up any given set of tires with the power of these cars ?

All the drivers must look after the tires very carefully , especially with no TC .

This fact shows just how hard Lewis really is on his tires .
Of course Bridgestone doesn't like this kind of thing happening , but it seems that Lewis is pointing a finger where it shouldn't be pointed .
They clearly pointed to his style being hard on the tire , and this was not refuted .
They suggested a strategy that everyone used but him .
Then , he clearly pointed at them as the reason for going 3 stops .

He also has not retracted the statement , though his employers have contradicted it .

Looks like he was trying to make himself look better , and as so , was a lie .

seems like hamilton should just adapt to the tire. last season there was bunch of dismissals of fernando and kimi when they said they had to adjust to the new tires and how their driving styles suffered a bit.

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

Apparently, some people on here think it's fine to race on potentially lethal tyres as it's only lewis that has experienced it this year. Shame i say :(

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Originally Posted by ioan

That's rubbish!

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Regardless of the driver, clearly a weakness has been found in the Bridgestone tyre. Bridgestone themselves acknowledged it last year, and again this year, and advised a team accordingly.

Now having identified that weakness, isn't it down to Bridgestone to find the cause and fix it? Or should they ignore it?

Surely one of the benefits of them being involved in F1 is that it tests their products to the maximum, which helps improve them. The company advertise themselves as "The Only F1 Tyre" not "The Only F1 Tyre That Fails".