Sorry guys......

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Originally Posted by Osiris333

The problem is the IRL cars have waaaaaay too much downforce. Even trimmed out, the wings are gigantic and make for less than scintillating racing. The end result is the cars travel the same speed pretty much all around the track. Boring.

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Not sure what race you were watching, because I definitely heard Dixon lifting. There were some folks who had trimmed out their cars,

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Originally Posted by Osiris333

The other problem is, as some of you noted, the coverage. ABC's IRL coverage is just plain cheesy and boring. Goodyear is boring, Jack-a-root is boring with his stupid up close and personal crap, and the little interviews trying to make Tony Kannan interesting just doesn't cut it. I also cringed at the phoney emergence from the cockpit scene with the confetti and the staged cheers. It was so obvious and so forced.

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I don't understand the remark about Kannan, he is interesting and a genuinely nice guy. I have said elsewhere that the announce team is bad. There are much better folks in the industry than what we are getting. Where is Dr. Jerry Punch, Gary Gerold, Parker Jonstone, Tommy Kendall, or Jon? As for the cockpit scene, tell me one race in the past five years in ANY series that has not had that contrivance. You act as if this was an IRL/ICS exclusive. Every single ChampCar race did it. I don't like it either, but it is part of the TV package.

Gary

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Originally Posted by garyshell

Not sure what race you were watching, because I definitely heard Dixon lifting. There were some folks who had trimmed out their cars,


I don't understand the remark about Kannan, he is interesting and a genuinely nice guy. I have said elsewhere that the announce team is bad. There are much better folks in the industry than what we are getting. Where is Dr. Jerry Punch, Gary Gerold, Parker Jonstone, Tommy Kendall, or Jon? As for the cockpit scene, tell me one race in the past five years in ANY series that has not had that contrivance. You act as if this was an IRL/ICS exclusive. Every single ChampCar race did it. I don't like it either, but it is part of the TV package.

Gary

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I never said nobody was lifting. I just said the cars have way too much downforce, which makes the drop off in speed between the corners and the straightaway too little, which makes for boring racing.

As to Kannan, watch NASCAR TV coverage. They don't waste any time with cutaway interviews like that while there is racing going on. And if you think Tony Kannan is going to sell this series to America... well, it hasn't worked yet has it?

And I'm sorry, but I've never seen a coordinated "celebration" like that coming out of a commercial before in CC. It was obvious Dixon had his helmet off for some time and was waiting for the TV cue to raise his arms and get out of the car. It was contrived, phoney and insincere, and it showed.

And it doesn't matter if CC did the same thing or not. It was "contrived
spontaneity." It looked phoney, and that kind of thing isn't going to sell the series.

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Originally Posted by Osiris333

And I'm sorry, but I've never seen a coordinated "celebration" like that coming out of a commercial before in CC. It was obvious Dixon had his helmet off for some time and was waiting for the TV cue to raise his arms and get out of the car. It was contrived, phoney and insincere, and it showed.

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champ car did that every week. If you watched the international coverage (without ad break straight after the break) you'd see the winner waiting in his car for the signal to get out. Jeremy shaw and hinch filled whilst we waited for US tv to come back from the break.

What bores one fan excites another. Road racing fans and oval racing fans, for example, have been going at it for decades and the arrival of Internet forums for them to express themselves just called more attention to it.

Dixon was strong at some points. Marco was strong at some points. Kanaan was strong at some points. Strategy played a part. Then Kanaan ran into Viso and it was undetermined for a couple caution laps whether he should even still be out there to win it. And he wasn't. So Dixon did. Race was interesting to me.

To tell the truth, I really wasn't too cognizant of the post-race interview because I had just gone to the refrigerator. I didn't think about downforce as I watched drivers try high and low for the fastest way through the corners, sometimes side-by-side. I enjoyed it.

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Originally Posted by BobGarage

champ car did that every week. If you watched the international coverage (without ad break straight after the break) you'd see the winner waiting in his car for the signal to get out. Jeremy shaw and hinch filled whilst we waited for US tv to come back from the break.

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Every series I can think of does this. And has for a long time.

Gary

Every professional athlete understands station breaks and network time-out.

It would be nice to hear an announcement team that can actually deliver the verbal integrity many open wheel fans are looking for. What we need is unification in the broadcast booth! Take a listen to SPEED's F1 team. If that's the benchmark, Indycar has a lot more room for improvement.

Bill Adam, Brian Till, Calvin Fish, Jon Beekus, Parker Johnston, Jon beekus?
But please no Paul Page.

Didn't see the race, but I agree the IRL production team is terrible. I saw Marty Reid a few times last year, and though he's better than his predecesor, I find him to be pandering more than the typical cheerleader/broadcaster. I also agree that Scott Goodyear is more boring than a remedial math teacher. Jack Arute, who tries to be funny, is distracting at best. He should not be involved on a broadcast team.

Give me Kendall and Varsha in the booth. Give me Beekius, Fish, and Pruett in the pits.

Homestead is one of the better open-wheel ovals, or at least used to be. I haven't seen a race at Homestead since it's been reconfigured. But the old Homestead and Lausitzring were two really good races. Those old indycar configurations on those tracks (particularly the Lola package in the 2002 and 2003 years) were tough to drive. POint, the Las Vegas Speedway package by CCWS during the last race was really bad. Sorta like the worst of the IRL specs.

As for IRL downforce, I think the CART teams that came over brought the looser setups. I don't believe there was much lifting before they came over. There still isn't on the high-banked 1.5 milers. That's why those teams were so dominant over the past few years in IRL. Their expertise in indycar translated directly into immediate success in IRL. That won't happen with the new breed CCWS teams that came over to IRL.

In the wake of the race, the gratuitous pandering toward the CCWS drivers was embarrassing. They did terrible. They were not competitive. WHy suck up to them? Perhaps because they held their lines....but they didn't show "well" from what I read/heard.

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Originally Posted by TU Homer

Give me Kendall and Varsha in the booth. Give me Beekius, Fish, and Pruett in the pits.

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That would be nice!! And, have Jon Beekhuis as their technical advisor and racing analyst as well!!

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Agreed. You would think road racing fans would've liked that race more than a typical oval race considering it was basically a road course race with all left turns.

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Not ture, the IRL guys had to make a right hand turn every lap to drive around a CART car.

LMFAO, sorry, couldnt resist.

I dont get the thought either about trying to make Kanaan interesting....

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Originally Posted by jimispeed

And, have Jon Beekhuis as their technical advisor and racing analyst as well!!

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Now that is really funny.