Rally2 (ex-R5) News

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Originally Posted by Danny0405

Talking about this, one important point for Toyota is to avoid the mistake made by VW of developing the Rally2 car to close from the Rally1 one.
VW car is a still a good one but its optimized margin is too small to address the Rally2 market where you’ve both drivers close from Rally1 level and amateur drivers.
With also the fires at the beginning that made a bad PR, it’s one of the reason of VW relative failure in Rally2 (and not the level of the car itself)

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Yes good point, the same with I20N. The bulk of the performance in a tight range.

Polo (and C3) experienced a good development and was chosen by PRO driver category (on tarmac)

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Originally Posted by manthey

Yes good point, the same with I20N. The bulk of the performance in a tight range.

Polo (and C3) experienced a good development and was chosen by PRO driver category (on tarmac)

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A Polo won the Norwegian championship this year (Larsen/Eriksen) against drivers and cars like Fabia (Brynhildsen, Grøndal and Aasen) and Polo (Veiby)
Grøndal did 1/2 season in a Fiesta mk2, but that didn't worked and swapped to Fabia.

I really hope M-sport brings out a new, good Rally2 car soon, can they survive without?

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Originally Posted by Danny0405

Talking about this, one important point for Toyota is to avoid the mistake made by VW of developing the Rally2 car to close from the Rally1 one.
VW car is a still a good one but its optimized margin is too small to address the Rally2 market where you’ve both drivers close from Rally1 level and amateur drivers.
With also the fires at the beginning that made a bad PR, it’s one of the reason of VW relative failure in Rally2 (and not the level of the car itself)

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Failure? Where did they fail? The car was great apart from the fire problems at the beginning. It's just that they never had a factory supported WRC2 team so it never challenged for titles.

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Originally Posted by AnttiL

Failure? Where did they fail? The car was great apart from the fire problems at the beginning. It's just that they never had a factory supported WRC2 team so it never challenged for titles.

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I’m talking about the commercial part, not the sport part because as I said, it is still a good car.
But the optimized margin is too low compared with the Skoda to address to amateur drivers whereas this car was supposed to be the next big thing (and in the end, it never overtook the old Fabia evo).

And I talked about a relative failure because clearly, in terms of sales, they didn’t do really much better than Hyundai, Citroen and Ford and were dominated by Skoda that they were supposed to subtitute (and in the end, it is Skoda which is following his development with the new RS).

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Originally Posted by Danny0405

I’m talking about the commercial part, not the sport part because as I said, it is still a good car.
But the optimized margin is too low compared with the Skoda to address to amateur drivers whereas this car was supposed to be the next big thing (and in the end, it never overtook the old Fabia evo).

And I talked about a relative failure because clearly, in terms of sales, they didn’t do really much better than Hyundai, Citroen and Ford and were dominated by Skoda that they were supposed to subtitute (and in the end, it is Skoda which is following his development with the new RS).

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how many years polo was for sale vs fabia?

Many still prefers the Fabia R5 over the Evo. It is easier to set up, and has a wider sweetspot.
The Fiesta Rally2 is hard to get a good setup for loose surfaces, it still gets smashed by the R5 with similar quality drivers.
A few get the new Fiesta to work for them, PG Andersson is one of them.

The Polo have been superb for good drivers that have tested enough, and know how to set it up for their taste.
Many still prefer the Polo over the Fabia Evo.

Lets see if Skoda managed to surpass the Polo with the Fabia RS.

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Originally Posted by Sulland

Many still prefers the Fabia R5 over the Evo. It is easier to set up, and has a wider sweetspot.
The Fiesta Rally2 is hard to get a good setup for loose surfaces, it still gets smashed by the R5 with similar quality drivers.
A few get the new Fiesta to work for them, PG Andersson is one of them.

The Polo have been superb for good drivers that have tested enough, and know how to set it up for their taste.
Many still prefer the Polo over the Fabia Evo.

Lets see if Skoda managed to surpass the Polo with the Fabia RS.

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Interesting, I read about Polo’s quality as you reported

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Originally Posted by AnttiL

Failure? Where did they fail? The car was great apart from the fire problems at the beginning. It's just that they never had a factory supported WRC2 team so it never challenged for titles.

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And the collapsing suspension. But speed wise there was never a problem with this car.

I would point out though that Kajto challenged for this year’s WRC2 title being outside of a factory supported team.

Katjo "challenged" by avoiding competition though.

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Originally Posted by skarderud

I really hope M-sport brings out a new, good Rally2 car soon, can they survive without?

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According to their announcement today the Fiesta is to soldier on for the foreseeable future, with M-Sport stockpiling Fiesta shells and parts as the road car stops production in 2023.