Honestly, I don't think anybody would notice.....Quote:
Originally Posted by tfp
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Honestly, I don't think anybody would notice.....Quote:
Originally Posted by tfp
Two championships. In the link below you can see the WRC career of Marcus. He won the championship in his first full WRC season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mintexmemory
http://www.juwra.com/gronholm_marcus_starts.html
Marcus was the king.
Oh, I think he meant championships won against Loeb and that number is plain zero. Loeb had his first full season in 2003 and Marcus won his last title in 2002. So technically Petter is the only one who has beaten Loeb in a title race. In 2002 Loeb skipped 5 rallyes.Quote:
Originally Posted by OldF
So if anyone is comparing Hirvonen/Grönholm vs. Loeb, according to the results they have been both as unsuccessful. But Marcus was by far the greater opposition to Loeb, providing very hard resistance and pushing Loeb to his limits. Plus Marcus is 2xWorld Champion.
Petter beat Seb after Citroen team orderQuote:
Originally Posted by cali
If there had been a like tag I'd have pressed it. The point I was mostly trying to make was that Marcus came into WRC as a factory driver at a much more mature phase of his life and had actually a wealth of experience by the time he did, including 24 WRC events (hardly 'very few' - 2 seasons worth!).To judge JML or Meeke against that career is specious. As you so rightly say, for all his talent Marcus never totally got the better of Loeb and didn't have to do his maturing in the spotlight or gain experience, he already had enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by cali
As the great Paul Simon said (and I'm sure NOT will disagree with that description ;) ) 'A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest'
Odds that Loeb could have beaten Petter in GB 2003 is not really in his favor. Petter won it also in 2002, and in 2004 when Loeb was fighting hard. Actually in 2004 he made everyone's eyes pop by taking more than 10 sec on Loeb over 10km in one of the last stages, to snatch the win. At the time the Impreza was fast.. And Loeb has evolved as a driver, he was not always superior on every surface, and in fact still isn't, though quite hard to beat.Quote:
Originally Posted by AP-Racing
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/motorsp...addon-in-Spain
Interesting by-note that Paddon is thought to be testing a WRC and S2000 car with a view to using one on WRGB. This would add even more interest to the other first -timers stepping up in class.
I thought that Paddon is in an R4 Subaru.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mintexmemory
He said in Salou at the Rallytravel Auction that they are working on a project for WRGB, with factory support. This week everything is being decided.