[WRC] News & rumours (part IV) 2016

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2nd November 2016, 20:13
dimviii

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Originally Posted by stefanvv

No idea what that means but nevermind. It is not me who posts his tweets here on the forum, think about that....

I ve post also tweets from Mads,Capito,Latvala. Do I rate them also high?
2nd November 2016, 20:19
stefanvv

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Originally Posted by dimviii

I ve post also tweets from Mads,Capito,Latvala. Do I rate them also high?

Capito? Didn't know. Why You don't rate them high? Don't tell me, I know.
2nd November 2016, 20:22
smsgrafica

I think an Ogier - Meeke team would be the best rivalry since Sainz - McRae at Subaru.

Please WRC God, make it happen!!!
2nd November 2016, 20:36
Allez Andruet

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Originally Posted by EstWRC

Latvala's situation isnt very good then at the moment.

Especially, if Jouhki is telling the truth and not playing games in this article:

http://yle.fi/urheilu/3-9269172

Jouhki says that it will be "really hard" to find Jari-Matti a seat in WRC for 2017.

I don't know, that might ofcourse be the case, but somehow I just don't buy that. Yet atleast. Given the long history (and it goes way back to 1989-1990) there is between Jouhki and Mäkinen, it's just hard to believe that they wouldn't keep each other "aware" of what's going on.
2nd November 2016, 20:44
SubaruNorway

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Originally Posted by cali

They would use swedish with Mikkelsen.

Sent from my ONE E1003 using Tapatalk

His english is not bad but he's spent his life driving cars not speaking in front of people all his life like some of the other team bosses.
I don't think Tommi actually speaks Swedish.
2nd November 2016, 20:47
Simmi

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Originally Posted by Allez Andruet

Especially, if Jouhki is telling the truth and not playing games in this article:

http://yle.fi/urheilu/3-9269172

Jouhki says that it will be "really hard" to find Jari-Matti a seat in WRC for 2017.

I don't know, that might ofcourse be the case, but somehow I just don't buy that. Yet atleast. Given the long history (and it goes way back to 1989-1990) there is between Jouhki and Mäkinen, it's just hard to believe that they wouldn't keep each other "aware" of what's going on.

If it's true that Lappi and Suninen were the chosen candidates at Toyota (reported in MN today) then that is a difficult situation for Jouhki. Does he sh*t on his future prospect to make way for a current (fading?) star. Or does he go with youth and ensure Suninen gets on the ladder. Same thing with EVEN who are trying to get Lappi a seat, and now have competition in the form of Mikkelsen.
2nd November 2016, 20:48
macebig

Jouhki's first priority is to secure a lucrative buy-out of JML's VW contract.Making it look like its difficult to find a new drive will help him with the negotiations.I am confident JML already has an agreement in place with Toyota,but they are laying low to help Latvala snatch a good compensation from Volkswagen.
2nd November 2016, 20:52
Simmi

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Originally Posted by macebig

Jouhki's first priority is to secure a lucrative buy-out of JML's VW contract.Making it look like its difficult to find a new drive will help him with the negotiations.

Not criticising. But can you explain this theory more? I don't understand.
2nd November 2016, 20:59
macebig

Simple thing.Jouhki makes the situation look like Latvala can't find a drive for 2017.Then he can "blame" the late VW decision for that and pressurize the Germans into inflating Latvala's buy out paycheck.Managerial mind tricks,to put it simple.
2nd November 2016, 21:03
Allez Andruet

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Originally Posted by Simmi

If it's true that Lappi and Suninen were the chosen candidates at Toyota (reported in MN today) then that is a difficult situation for Jouhki. Does he sh*t on his future prospect to make way for a current (fading?) star. Or does he go with youth and ensure Suninen gets on the ladder. Same thing with EVEN who are trying to get Lappi a seat, and now have competition in the form of Mikkelsen.

http://www.mtv.fi/sport/ralli/uutine...miinsa/6148326
I hope Mäkinen has found time today to talk to the representatives of Ogier and Latvala somewhere in between giving interviews to the Finnish media :)

In this article, Mäkinen pretty clearly says that Hänninen is the only one who has a SIGNED contract and adds, that even though the two other contracts have also been "agreed on general level", "changes are possible".
2nd November 2016, 21:30
Simmi

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Originally Posted by macebig

Simple thing.Jouhki makes the situation look like Latvala can't find a drive for 2017.Then he can "blame" the late VW decision for that and pressurize the Germans into inflating Latvala's buy out paycheck.Managerial mind tricks,to put it simple.

This seems like a bit of a stretch? Latvala will get paid by VW next year regardless - so what is this buy-out paycheck are you referencing? And how is it negotiable?

If anything it might be Latvala that has to buy his way out of his own contract. Although I doubt VW will demand their drivers sit on the couch for a year.
2nd November 2016, 21:47
macebig

Come on.VW is breaching the contract and you say that JML has to pay them to release him?Not a chance.For the last time,Jouhki is trying to get the most money possible out of Volkswagen to terminate the relationship between his client and them.He is using every trick available to achieve this.
2nd November 2016, 21:50
Andre Oliveira

Hashtag #OgierToMsport are growing a lot in twitter lol

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwRfleSXYAAHxnz.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwRfmX5W8AIChwP.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwSXsdfXYAAg6-a.jpg:small
2nd November 2016, 21:53
Essaj

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Originally Posted by Simmi

This seems like a bit of a stretch? Latvala will get paid by VW next year regardless - so what is this buy-out paycheck are you referencing? And how is it negotiable?

If anything it might be Latvala that has to buy his way out of his own contract. Although I doubt VW will demand their drivers sit on the couch for a year.

Ofcourse it's VW who has to pay, they just need to find an agreement how big of cut they need to give to their drivers and let them free for next year.
Why would they pay for people who do not work for them anymore, so for them it's better to buy out their contracts for low as possible and as a manager you want to get as much out of the team as you can.
2nd November 2016, 21:53
dimviii

https://twitter.com/hashtag/OgierToMSport?src=hash
2nd November 2016, 22:04
stefanvv

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Originally Posted by Essaj

Ofcourse it's VW who has to pay, they just need to find an agreement how big of cut they need to give to their drivers and let them free for next year.
Why would they pay for people who do not work for them anymore, so for them it's better to buy out their contracts for low as possible and as a manager you want to get as much out of the team as you can.

Damage control is the word. They don't get anything, should lose less.
2nd November 2016, 22:05
Franky

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Originally Posted by Essaj

Ofcourse it's VW who has to pay, they just need to find an agreement how big of cut they need to give to their drivers and let them free for next year.
Why would they pay for people who do not work for them anymore, so for them it's better to buy out their contracts for low as possible and as a manager you want to get as much out of the team as you can.

I'd imagine that kind of stuff is already written in their contracts
2nd November 2016, 22:10
Simmi

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Originally Posted by Essaj

Ofcourse it's VW who has to pay, they just need to find an agreement how big of cut they need to give to their drivers and let them free for next year.
Why would they pay for people who do not work for them anymore, so for them it's better to buy out their contracts for low as possible and as a manager you want to get as much out of the team as you can.

General consensus is the drivers will get their 2017 wages paid by VW as they were under contract. That's pretty standard practice and VW still have plenty of money despite everything. All three VW drivers could effectively command two wages next year depending where they end up. So I'm still not really sure what settlement needs to be negotiated. Certainly Latvala only had a deal up until the end of 2017 and options for further seasons which obviously won't now be picked up.
2nd November 2016, 22:29
Essaj

That's the thing, VW can just sit their drivers at home doing nothing while paying them big money. Or pay them less money so they would be free to do whatever. I know the money is not the issue for VW but why would they pay full salary to a driver who drives to a different car company?
2nd November 2016, 22:40
Simmi

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Originally Posted by Essaj

I know the money is not the issue for VW but why would they pay full salary to a driver who drives to a different car company?

Because they are contractually obliged to pay them.
2nd November 2016, 22:46
Essaj

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Originally Posted by Simmi

Because they are contractually obliged to pay them.

Of course they have to pay but they don't have to let them drive elsewhere. Don't just quote the last part of my post, read all of it. They have to get into some kind of a agreement or Ogier, Latvala and Mikkelsen will stay home doing nothing rally related for the duration of their contracts.
2nd November 2016, 23:11
GravelBen

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Originally Posted by Simmi

Because they are contractually obliged to pay them.

Have you read the contracts in detail then?
3rd November 2016, 00:01
bassist

I think Jari has been one of the quickest drivers over the past 10 years or so.But he hasnt been to able to deliver when it mattered. He has been caught up in VW`s exit the same as Andreas and Seb, but i really dont think he deserves the attention being focussed on him in all of this. I hope that some of the young guns looking to show their talents in the WRC dont lose out because of it.
3rd November 2016, 00:41
RAS007

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Originally Posted by dodge33cymru

I'm not sure what you're even getting at there, but Colin Clarke is a superb part of this sport and his enthusiasm and genuineness are a key part of it. I'd argue, in the world of WRC Promoter coverage on TV, he's one of the best and most passionate spokespeople this niche sport has left.

Unlike many people in his position across sport, he's not afraid to pick sides and call out the governing body, broadcasters and other parties when he disagrees with them and, most of the time, I agree with him (despite our political views seeming to differ wildly!).

So why shouldn't he message Ogier that he hopes to see him back next year? Whether you do or don't, it's good to see him being involved at every level, from broadcaster to fan.

What he's getting at is somebody said something negative about his leotarded hero, and he is sworn to defend the leotarded one until death.
3rd November 2016, 00:43
RAS007

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Originally Posted by Mirek

That he was downplaying Loeb's achievements without a need to do so.

Not downplaying, just pointing out the fact the Loeb drove for the same team for his entire career.
3rd November 2016, 00:47
N.O.T

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Originally Posted by RAS007

Not downplaying, just pointing out the fact the Loeb drove for the same team for his entire career.

and Ogier would do exactly the same if not for the withdrawal of VW.
3rd November 2016, 00:51
RAS007

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Originally Posted by N.O.T

and Ogier would do exactly the same if not for the withdrawal of VW.

There's really no way to know that; either way, the reasons a driver switches teams, drives a different car aren't really important. Ogier will win in any car, probably. At least we'll get the chance to find out this time.
3rd November 2016, 00:56
N.O.T

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Originally Posted by RAS007

There's really no way to know that; either way, the reasons a driver switches teams, drives a different car aren't really important.

I agree with that, but when you compare two drivers the way the pink scarf guy did, you have to be a bit more careful if you do not want to sound like some inferiority complex nobody.
3rd November 2016, 01:04
RAS007

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Originally Posted by bassist

I think Jari has been one of the quickest drivers over the past 10 years or so.But he hasnt been to able to deliver when it mattered. He has been caught up in VW`s exit the same as Andreas and Seb, but i really dont think he deserves the attention being focussed on him in all of this. I hope that some of the young guns looking to show their talents in the WRC dont lose out because of it.

Is Latvala the most talented driver never to win the title?
3rd November 2016, 01:06
N.O.T

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Originally Posted by RAS007

Is Latvala the most talented driver never to win the title?

No, there are many talented drivers that are no longer in the WRC and Latvala would share the same fate looooooong time ago but daddy was and is there for him.
3rd November 2016, 01:09
RAS007

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Originally Posted by N.O.T

No, there are many talented drivers that are no longer in the WRC and Latvala would share the same fate looooooong time ago but daddy was and is there for him.

Agreed. Delecour in 93-94 comes to mind, especially the road accident in 94 that kept him out fir a few rallies. Who else?
3rd November 2016, 01:17
N.O.T

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Originally Posted by RAS007

Agreed. Delecour in 93-94 comes to mind, especially the road accident in 94 that kept him out fir a few rallies. Who else?

Daniel Carlsson
PG Andersson
Mikko Hirvonen
Daniel Sola
Francois Duval

and many many more, nobody had the chances Latvala had and stayed in a team for as long as Latvala did without delivering results. When you talk about talent is very hard to quantify, what do you mean by talent ? going fast ?
3rd November 2016, 01:27
RAS007

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Originally Posted by N.O.T

Daniel Carlsson
PG Andersson
Mikko Hirvonen
Daniel Sola
Francois Duval

and many many more, nobody had the chances Latvala had and stayed in a team for as long as Latvala did without delivering results. When you talk about talent is very hard to quantify, what do you mean by talent ? going fast ?

Good list. Agree talent is hard to define/quantify, but going fast, probably yes, but going fast consistently, on every surface, having the opportunity (like Latvala) and still not winning (the title). Hirvonen has to be the best recent example. Latvala's mental state seems to have been his undoing. Agree about Duval too.
3rd November 2016, 02:04
Grundo Farb

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Originally Posted by N.O.T

Daniel Carlsson
PG Andersson
Mikko Hirvonen
Daniel Sola
Francois Duval

and many many more, nobody had the chances Latvala had and stayed in a team for as long as Latvala did without delivering results. When you talk about talent is very hard to quantify, what do you mean by talent ? going fast ?

You must be young to forget how close Markku Allen was and also Michelle Mouton were to winning the championship.
3rd November 2016, 02:41
N.O.T

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Originally Posted by Grundo Farb

You must be young to forget how close Markku Allen was and also Michelle Mouton were to winning the championship.

I do not value rally drivers of an era that a woman could even be competitive, they were nothing.
3rd November 2016, 03:28
Mk2 RS2000

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Originally Posted by N.O.T

I do not value rally drivers of an era that a woman could even be competitive, they were nothing.

Obviously you never competed against her, she was definitely something special, a one off special.
3rd November 2016, 05:41
GigiGalliNo1

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Originally Posted by GravelBen

Have you read the contracts in detail then?

It's a general consensus of a Contract as they all are.
3rd November 2016, 05:50
Zeakiwi

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Originally Posted by Mk2 RS2000

Obviously you never competed against her, she was definitely something special, a one off special.

It might be added that Mouton and Pons were a rally driving team. Pons a key factor.
3rd November 2016, 09:19
AL14

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Originally Posted by N.O.T

Daniel Carlsson
PG Andersson
Mikko Hirvonen
Daniel Sola
Francois Duval

and many many more, nobody had the chances Latvala had and stayed in a team for as long as Latvala did without delivering results. When you talk about talent is very hard to quantify, what do you mean by talent ? going fast ?

Latvala has had more chances than others, that's undeniable. But please, winning 15 events during the Sebs era is far from "not delivering results" or being a nobody.
Of course daddy paid at the beginning of his career but I'm sure every team principal would have welcomed him until at least last year.
3rd November 2016, 09:22
spyros

Anyone knows Jari's salary at VW?

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