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Dad came to visit me using this shirt haha Out of nothing. I thought its really cool. Never seen this one
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Dad came to visit me using this shirt haha Out of nothing. I thought its really cool. Never seen this one
General question about rally organisation in your respective countries be it a local level or up to WRC. Are rallies organised by volunteers giving up their free time to arrange road closures and insurance etc or do clubs or motorsport bodies employ people to do the job on a paid basis? Bit of an issue in the UK just now which is seeing events cancelled or stopping altogether as more and more time is being asked of less and less people who do the "job" on a voluntary basis. Not many younger people stepping up to help so rallies are biting the dust. This in turn is leading to even less interest in the media so less and less commercial interest as a result.
In Europe theres the WRC, in "America" they have BAJA.
In Europe theres Rallycross, In America theres Short Course racing with 4wd 900HP super trucks
If someone here doesnt know this thing, check it out this quick clip from last
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVRiJJc7J2E
Nobody seeing the business opportunity then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sal yet again
Please don't blame the young because times have changed.
One of the organisers of a closed road event in the UK earlier this year told me that they had put in 800 hours of their own time to get the event running.
That is completely unsustainable.
You don't have to answer this but scale-wise, if it was a music festival, would they be getting paid?Quote:
Originally Posted by J4MIE
If it was a music festival the spectators would be paying a very significant sum for watching, leaving enough for the promotors and participants to be handsomely paid. Sadly for the organisers and competitors, rallying doesn't work that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
In the UK at nearly all events, spectators 'pay to park' - and money quite often goes to local charities, etc Organising clubs get virtually nothing. From memory, only RallyGB (and IRC Rally Scotland) charges/charged to spectate; and then that means they have to provide facilities, etc for spectators....which is a costly business. Which is the reason most events charge you to park your car - there aren't the same requirements for spectators. As already said, most events are run by volunteers, and they simply don't have the time/resources to do this.
I agree with Sal, I would love to know how other countries operate....I dare say it's different.
And any role the state and authority play: in eg. France and Spain, their (democratic) authorities have directives set by the ministry of sport and receive state funding. Does any of that trickle down to support organisers?Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
I never really understood why UK organising clubs don't keep the spectator parking money for themselves. Okay, it's not much but it's something.
Been thinking of some possible ways this could be done as a business for a while, offering a service to motor clubs to do all the applications for road closures etc however you first have to understand the "politics" that surround clubs and the egos that are involved. Its often the same people who are complaining of the amount of time they give up that are most reluctant to cede control of their events to others. Once spoke with a promoter of a major UK Rally championship and he told me that it was like herding cats trying to get 6 event organisers to agree on a standard format!Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
There would be a cost involved to clubs obviously and without big sponsors I'm not sure how many would be able to afford to "contract out".
Its clear something has to be done otherwise the proposed saviour of UK rallying, i.e closed roads will be dead in the gate before the tape drops.
Regards the average age of organisers, I've seen event after event talk of combined ages of their teams in high 100's. The fact is the motorclub structure just doesnt appeal to younger people and quite often the atmosphere around rallies is very poe faced and lacks "fun". I know that is because of rules and regs, insurance needs etc however it doesnt help get people engaged.
I guess motorsport of the traditional type in general could be on borrowed time on the island however am still interested to know how other countries go around thier business so we can learn from them.
I would like to recommend you a documentary series on Netflix titled "Bad sport" that I saw last week. Especially interesting for us is episode no. 2 - about a hippie and pot dealer, who turns into a famous racing driver. It doesn't have anything to do with rallying, but it's still a great story:
https://www.netflix.com/pl-en/title/81084829
Saw the Renault 5 electric concept "driftcar".
Yet another example of how major manu uses electric "sport" car for promotion. Other recent big ones are the BMW thing with Extreme E base and off course the Electric Quatro from Block
And yet another example of how people claiming here that electric car adds/promotion will only be about driving slowly and using least energy were wrong. Two years ago that was the dominant idea here.
Thing is people don't change. They want to buy things cause they are cool and offer something new. Which is why this kind of advertising works.
Only issue I have with a lot of these electric "concepts" is that the makers are trying to court favour by using iconic ICE models as the base rather than coming up with new designs. As the heart of those cars (the engine) has been ripped out to make way for all the batteries it kind of looses the point, at least Block's new Audi other than having traditional colours isnt trying too hard to be an ur Quattro.
I always thought the future was about the new and expected more "Jetsons" imagineering and space age design rather than the restomod approach. Ironically a lot of older machinery was hardly efficient design wise so it makes me grin that the manufacturers by sticking electric gubbins in these cars seem to be able to conveniently gloss over that!
Have to say love the look of the "5" and as long as my teeth dont have to suffer hearing it in real life would ne more than happy to see it in action on YT with the sound turned off.
Rally Australia 2011 Hayden Paddon finished P6 overall driving a PWRC car. At the time it was the best ever overall finish for a PWRC car.
Is Hayden's P6 in a Rally 2 car last weekend at Rally NZ the best overall result for a Rally 2 car against the current Hybrid WRC cars ?
EDIT - found answer to my own question. Stephane Lefebvre was first rally 2 driver to achieve a P6 overall against the hybrid Rally 1 cars. Stephane did it at Ypres Rally Belgium driving a Citroen C3
I think it's a bit silly when the position is not based on the low class driver's speed but the amount of retirements for the top class.Quote:
Originally Posted by KiwiWRCfan
An Irishman and a Kiwi walked into a bar and talked rally.
OK they were not in a bar but they share a passion for rally and they talked a lot about Rally NZ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhl84Z5g9fE
I'd prefer it if they talked about rallying
The young Australians have been the quickest at the FIA Rally Star talent search (Asia Pacific region) event in Chennai, India.
I saw at least one of the Australians had done some pre-event cross-kart training.
https://www.fia.com/news/young-talen...ic-final-india
Taylor Gill from Newcastle, NSW, Aus won the Asia Pacific Rally Star title.
from Facebook "FIA Rally Star Asia-Pacific continental Final winner������
Wow! Honestly Lost for words, bring on next year����
Massive thanks to everyone who got me here!
Thanks to everyone for the messages and support, will catch up when I’m back in Australia
Over and out��
#fiarallystar #bethenextone
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Motorsport Australia
ARC - Motorsport Australia Rally Championship"
Jeez, rally drivers are younger and younger these days. First Rovanpera, then Solberg, and now... 7-year old Niccolo Perico (son of Italian rally driver Alessandro Perico):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-offyRyDH6E
Different titles for the articles which basically say the same things :D
Dirtfish: EIGHT-TIME WORLD CHAMPION RULES OUT FULL-TIME WRC COMEBACK
WRC.com OGIER: FULL-TIME RETURN NOT OUT OF THE QUESTION
Ain't a mind-reader, but tell me what you want.. He wants the title(or 2), especially being in the best team/car.
2022' Monte still hurts him big time :D
Interesting watching some of the footage from RallyLegend at the weekend in that the two most spectacular cars were "converted" Rally Cross Audis. Yes they were good drivers there to showboat but they made most everything else look pretty pedestrian.
well... RedBull owner (Dietrich) has passed a few hours ago. RIP
I wonder if tis will affect RedBull as a whole, as someone said here.
I know the redbull's promoter/sporting "arms" are kinda "detached" from the main corporation but still... "Same brand". Havent read anything on that, but the Thai guy was already owner of 51% of the company since always, so maybe nothing changes... At the same time, world economy doesnt look so healthy so "TIMMING" may be an effect more than Dietrich's death?
From fia.com
“At Spa-Francorchamps in August, Audi announced it was joining the FIA Formula One World Championship from 2026 as a power unit manufacturer. This announcement was an endorsement of the hard work by all stakeholders to develop those Regulations. We also note that Porsche are still in discussions with Formula 1 teams.”
What about WRC dear FIA????!!!!
What about the WRC? Well it's pretty simple.....it doesn't give enough manufacturers the ROI they want; other series do.
OUCH!!! Duuude. Stop hurting us with truths!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
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why bother with a dead sport ?Quote:
Originally Posted by bomber21
Loeb the goat wins the Andalucia Rally, but Nasser wins the World Rally raid title.
Loeb wins Andalucia Rally
https://youtu.be/DxABrNj1ZFQ
If Tänak goes to Toyota, my guess is that the new topclass/rally1 from 2025 is Rally2 cars.
Its no point having 1,5 team in a world championship.
And, its time to let private tuners have the possibility to homologate new parts, to make those rally2's that is not up there better.
Manufacturers involvement has to end if rally as we know it can survive.
Simple, and sad, as that.
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What has this to do with Tänak's decision :DQuote:
Originally Posted by skarderud
Hyundai lose even more and quit, M-sport has nothing to do against Toyota.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
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Yeah, if Hyundai quits, for sure FIA must think again. But not yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by skarderud
If Tänak goes to Toyota, i'm afraid Hyundai quits.
Not next year, but 2 more years of embarassing wont help a korean board to sign the checks.
Whoever Neuville gets in as teammates, they will be nowhere near a Rovenpära/Tänak combination.
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Yes but FIA cannot do this decision in advance.
If Hyundai quit, Tanak goes.Quote:
Originally Posted by skarderud
Hyundai already quiet quit.
Remember when there were only Citroen and Ford?Quote:
Originally Posted by skarderud
Yes, if we are back to that dark hole again, WRC is dead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Managarium
It was close to ruin the sport.
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Yes but at least then it was Ford & not M-sport backed Ford Performance & B they had their B teams for 3 season making sure the championship survives, I don't think if Hyundai calls it quits the situation will be like then, they won't be able to recover from it.Quote:
Originally Posted by skarderud
Mby this WRC1 needs to die. To rise again with R5 cars.