2012 Presidential Race

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Originally Posted by janvanvurpa

They are evil because they are evil. The list of crimes and convictions for moral failures, as the long record shows, is proof enough... The point is not that they TO USE YOUR WORDS "entertain ideas", they intentionally craft a means to circumvent State and Federal laws regarding disclosure of who pays for their junkets, and presumably eagerly introduce bills written by corporate lawyers and push those laws thru for their masters...

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This statement applies equally well to both sides of the party divide in the United States. For reasons I've yet to understand, the American people keep on voting for both sides of the cartelised duopoly.
Wall Street owns the political machines in the United States, not the people.

Couldn't help it . . . .

For all the details on Mitt Romney's 5 trillion dollar tax plan visit ROMNEYTAXPLAN.COM

Oh man, lot's of stuff here. Where to begin ..... Let's see we have:


Appeal to authority:

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Originally Posted by janvanvurpa

Again, you put words in people's mouth and then berate them for what you did. It is offensive. It is dishonest, and should merit an "Infraction" from the so called moderators when you do that because it is trying to start a fight.

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Changing the subject, and Stereotyping:

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Originally Posted by janvanvurpa

I did not say Republicans are evil because they sometimes entertain...
They are evil because they are evil. The list of crimes and convictions for moral failures, as the long record shows, is proof enough...

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Outright slander:

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Originally Posted by janvanvurpa

The point is not that they TO USE YOUR WORDS "entertain ideas", they intentionally craft a means to circumvent State and Federal laws regarding disclosure of who pays for their junkets, and presumably eagerly introduce bills written by corporate lawyers and push those laws thru for their masters...

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Changing the subject again, with a bit of an appeal to authority:

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Originally Posted by janvanvurpa

Something that you or I cannot do, something that the Founders of the country would crap their collective britches if they were alive today.

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Strawman, and willful ignorance to my poin that both sides do this:

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Originally Posted by janvanvurpa

It is and has perverted the Governmental system, gutted democracy and the fact that they have striven to maintain the secrecy of who is member of this cabal, who donates what, which bills do they introduce verbatim means they know what they are doing is indefensible. And evil.

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Arguing from intimidation:

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Originally Posted by janvanvurpa

No reasonable person could defend this specific thing and we don't buy the lame, lazy attempts to parry this stinking scandle with your glib equivocation...

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And this one takes the cake, accusing me of "not debating", when you are the one that hasn't put forward one fact.

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Originally Posted by janvanvurpa

They who are doing it don't defend it, what sort of morally hollow person could?
The fact that you are proves your intentions in not discussion and enlightenment but only argument for arguments sake.

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This is why I usually stay out of these things anymore. In a political debate on this forum, sooner or later janvan will come along and throw out every intellectually dishonest debate tactic there is to "prove" his "facts". It's old, I don't know why I even allowed myself to get involved.

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Originally Posted by chuck34

Oh man, lot's of stuff here. Where to begin ..... Let's see we have:


Appeal to authority:


Changing the subject, and Stereotyping:



Outright slander:



Changing the subject again, with a bit of an appeal to authority:



Strawman, and willful ignorance to my poin that both sides do this:


Arguing from intimidation:


And this one takes the cake, accusing me of "not debating", when you are the one that hasn't put forward one fact.



This is why I usually stay out of these things anymore. In a political debate on this forum, sooner or later janvan will come along and throw out every intellectually dishonest debate tactic there is to "prove" his "facts". It's old, I don't know why I even allowed myself to get involved.

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To the Moderators who keep giving me----and we have no idea if they give THIS GUY any infractions:
THIS following is response to the immediate above long list of PERSONAL ATTACKS---in case you don't understand---accusing somebody of slander repeatedly is personal....extremely personal.
Slander is a crime--this Chuck schmuck has just accused me of criminal offenses---in response to correcting his BS that I said this or that

And YOU are why I avoided this place for almost a year. You as a human disgust me. You repel me. You are the stereotype of what is wrong with Americans as a people.

MODS

There are only a few ---all leaning more or less the same way Americans--- who constantly trying to derail any back and forth type discussion, constantly complaining to Mods when their increasingly bizarre and non-sequitor posts are AT ALL QUESTIONED
or even responded to...

You Mods are overreacting or OR have some other deal going on,.

THIS IS a political thread, you must expect some strong opinions---and either back off on these infractions for every post that the "usual suspects" whine to you about, or just give everybody an infraction for every post entry.

MODS your actions are more disruptive than anything here--nearly.

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Originally Posted by janvanvurpa

And YOU are why I avoided this place for almost a year. You as a human disgust me. You repel me. You are the stereotype of what is wrong with Americans as a people.

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I have never once complained to a Moderator about anything on this forum ... Until now.

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Originally Posted by janvanvurpa

MODS your actions are more disruptive than anything here--nearly.

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Actually posts like yours above, containing nothing but personal attacks against other forum members and distain for moderators (who are here volunteering time, doing a great job keeping this place clean and enjoyable) are about the most disruptive thing here.

I don't know how to say this without possibly coming across as hurtful (which is not my intent) - but are you as angry in real life as you come across from behind a keyboard? That amount of anger/hate isn't healthy.

Guys please do keep insults and personal comments off here, and to those who wants to complain about Mods...please do use Feedback Forum thank you :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Gregor-y

Who sent out the letter telling every conservative to quote the same Ben Stein bit in every forum I seem to visit? It's kind of creepy.

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And more than "kind of " true

Not in any way, shape or form. If we were serious about ids we'd make them free and much easier to acquire. Heck even Ben Stein himself says he didn't write that and we need to raise taxes.

Just a question.

I've had a chance to view about an hour's worth of adverts coming from both camps and whilst they go through the usual sort of process of build up their guy or attack the character or record of the other, if I was a neutral and had the vote, I don't think I'd be convinced.

With all of these adverts and even the third and final episode of Mittens and O coming up, is all of this campaigning money even well spent at all?
You're not really going to convince the dyed in the wool supporters from both sides, which means to say that the adverts are meant to sway the smallish part of the population who swing votes. Unlike Australia where voting is compulsory where the political literacy of the electorate is probably higher, are the adverts really only intended to get the people who otherwise couldn't be bothered to vote?