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13th August 2010, 19:31
pallone col bracciale

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

That said, it cannot be proven beyond question that it was team orders!

Grazie mille.

Aknowledgement of the fundamental flaw in the claim that team orders were used by the Scuderia at Hockenheim.

Grazie mille.

This is an important principle, yes? Otherwise, any accusation without proof is acceptable. Which it is not. I hope you agree that is true?

It would not be fair, an example, for me to say that Mr Dennis and Mr Whitmarsh were complicit with the traitor Stepney in 2007?

I have no proof of this. There is no proof. Maybe some circumstantial, but nothing definitive, so it would be totally unfair to accuse.

The same should be offered to Ferrari, no? It is no difference.
13th August 2010, 20:25
SGWilko

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Originally Posted by pallone col bracciale

Grazie mille.

Aknowledgement of the fundamental flaw in the claim that team orders were used by the Scuderia at Hockenheim.

Grazie mille.

And likewise, I am afraid, there is an equally fundamental flaw in any claim to the contrary. i.e that team orders were not used.
14th August 2010, 00:42
Saint Devote

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Originally Posted by eu

Ok, don't yell at me. You can have him. Two lucky wins in changing weather and he's the master of difficult conditions. I take a good look at race times and races results and tables and I see a driver that is regularly slower than his team mate.... let's not take a look in thier careers so far

I am not yelling at you - I am emphasiziing.

Lucky wins? I think the ENTIRE Mclaren team would be offended by such a comment.

According to Jackie Stewart he thought they were brilliant wins that Jim Clark would have been proud of.

He said this to John Button.

Lewis winning in Turkey thats luck - making tyre decisions and the team supporting them and then winning is ability and thats what Jense did. Of course if you think that Hamilton winning the British Grand Prix in the wet was luck too.....!

A win is a win and driver is the one that puts himself in such a position. But I get it - you are really sore that Hamilton has NOT trounced Jense.

A quicker driver has never been a guarantee of winning. Colin Chapman is great example.

He LOVED quick drivers - but aside from Clark - an unusual type of driver that was a Senna and Prost wrapped into one - Lotus champions came from the Jense side of the garage on balance:

Graham Hill
Emerson Fittipaldi
Mario Andretti.

The only quick driver that won it for Chapman was the superb Jochen Rindt.
14th August 2010, 00:55
Saint Devote

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Originally Posted by airshifter

Well after the last race I would say Jenson has much more experience.... running in the middle of the pack. If not for the two car failures for Lewis there would be a lot more points between the two drivers already.

On the up side, if it continues Lewis will already be able to say he has beaten two WDCs when put in the same cars.

The two car failures - its funny that Jenson has had NONE - must be something to do with Hamilton's driving. Maybe he forgets that championships are won through scoring points.

The only reason Jenson went out of a race prematurely is because of mechanic error at Monte Carlo and thats a circuit which Jenson enjoys and would have scored points.

And as I recall - Jenson won the first part of the championship at the flyaway races - he led the title chase for FIVE races while Hamilton led the championship for only FOUR. Get yer facts straight before crowing!
14th August 2010, 01:17
Saint Devote

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Originally Posted by eu

When McLaren signed Button I thought McLaren were building a dream team there and I still do. A very young, fast and improving first driver to fight for the wdc and a perfect #2 driver to gather more points for the wcc. What's better than having a #2 driver that doesn't know it? Well, maybe a driver that is happy to be just a sidekick... but those are not so many

Who are you referring to?

The driver that led the championship for FIVE races and has won two grands prix?

Or the other driver that led the championship for FOUR races and has won two grands prix - albeit the one where the drivers he was following crashed into each other?

Anyway - you do Mclaren an injustice and definitely have low regard for the credibility of the team boss I think is one of the two best in pit lane.

Whitmarsh and "Big Bear" Ross are just the BEST!!!
14th August 2010, 03:15
Valve Bounce

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

Rubens's nick name is actually "Rubinho" ?

I just thought I'd point that out for you .

Yeah! let's get these nicknames correct if we are going to be criticised for calling SchM " shoeii, Shoemee," or whatever. :p : :D :rotflmao:
14th August 2010, 04:56
Saint Devote

Rubens Barrichello is also known in Brazil as "Pedi-Chanello" someone that plods along in slow footed way.

Just as the Brazilians in the media in Brazil have not stopped slamming Massa for giving way to Alonso. They have essentially called him "little balls" and apparently his popularity has collapsed.

Brazilians yearn for another champion driver like Fittipaldi or Piquet or of course Senna [not likely].

They cheer for Barrichello but thats because he is Brazilian and they "hate" the direct competition which is why Jenson was advised to have heavy security in 2009 and to travel in a bullet proof car and why Jessica did not attend the grand prix. At the track the Brazilians booed and jeered at him.

All part of the Brazilian way.
14th August 2010, 04:59
Saint Devote

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Originally Posted by Valve Bounce

Yeah! let's get these nicknames correct if we are going to be criticised for calling SchM " shoeii, Shoemee," or whatever. :p : :D :rotflmao:

Typical English speaker - your way is always correct or ALSO correct. Well thats not so.

Schumi is German and his nickname in Germany is Schumi. Anything else is not correct.
14th August 2010, 05:03
Valve Bounce

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Originally Posted by Saint Devote

Typical English speaker - your way is always correct or ALSO correct. Well thats not so.

Schumi is German and his nickname in Germany is Schumi. Anything else is not correct.

Do you think that I really care what you believe or think is correct or otherwise? I drive a Volvo, and I couldn't care less what you think is correct or otherwise. :p : :D :rotflmao:
14th August 2010, 05:17
Tazio

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Originally Posted by Valve Bounce

Do you think that I really care what you believe or think is correct or otherwise? I drive a Volvo, and I couldn't care less what you think is correct or otherwise. :p : :D :rotflmao:

I agree that you need to ease off. Arguing the propriety of nick-names is really over the top imo. :dozey:

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