Max Mosley opens a can of worms.

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26th June 2008, 15:16
ioan

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Originally Posted by Dave Brockman

Interesting talk from the Middle East. Interesting indeed. Max would have lost the vote but for the support of one man.

More here:
http://www.gulfnews.com/sport/Motor_Rally/10223096.html

Thanks for those links.

I completely agree wit the guy on t his part:

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First let me tell you that this is a case of hypocrisy and not democracy.
26th June 2008, 15:21
trumperZ06

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

1) There is absolutely no need for another F1 feeder series when one already exists.
2) The costs are unrealistic
3) The time frame is unrealistic
4) It is a move motivated by politics, not motorsport
5) The FIA should concern themselves with regulating existing series efficiently and fairly, and not become promotors.

Max's F2 is not a sound idea at all.

What pisses me off about these political moves is that once again those of us who have an interest in motorsport will be the losers. Max and Bernie can tear ten tonnes of crap out of each other for all I care, but if in doing so the sport (F1 in particular because that's my main interest) is damaged then I'd rather go spend my money at events like the HSCC Historic Festival at Brands Hatch with F1, Sports Cars, F3, FFord and Saloon Cars all on the same bill on the same day.

Max has already damaged the sport by clinging on to power. He's now threatening to do more damage :down:

Yep.

;) Club racing & Historic car racing... is a much better way to spend your time @ the track.

:D For spectators, ALMS offers a better variety of cars, friendlier venue, and they run on the same tracks that you can also enjoy. Sebring & Road Atlanta for example.

:dozey: Formula One has become too political to really enjoy anymore.

:s mokin: Trumper
26th June 2008, 15:28
ArrowsFA1

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Originally Posted by ioan

Max is coming up with very sound proposals for motorsport in this moment!

Why now? Perhaps because he "is pushing ahead with his strategy to improve his historical reputation by creating the sport as it ought to be - rather than the sport he had fashioned..."

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Originally Posted by ioan

And even better is the FACT that Bernie is the one who is in charge with signing new F1 venues, not Max.

You're a little naïve ioan.
1) An F1 GP is not included on the calendar unless it is approved by the FIA. It is the FIA F1 World Championship after all.
2) Max and Bernie co-existed quite happily until recently, and had done for decades. The regulatory and commercial aspects of the sport were carved up between them.
3) The support of Mohammad Bin Sulayem appears to have been crucial to Max at the EGM.
4) A couple of weeks after the EGM Max & Bernie are at loggerheads and Abu Dhabi has a GP.
26th June 2008, 15:28
Knock-on

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

1) There is absolutely no need for another F1 feeder series when one already exists.
2) The costs are unrealistic
3) The time frame is unrealistic
4) It is a move motivated by politics, not motorsport
5) The FIA should concern themselves with regulating existing series efficiently and fairly, and not become promotors.

Max's F2 is not a sound idea at all.

What pisses me off about these political moves is that once again those of us who have an interest in motorsport will be the losers. Max and Bernie can tear ten tonnes of crap out of each other for all I care, but if in doing so the sport (F1 in particular because that's my main interest) is damaged then I'd rather go spend my money at events like the HSCC Historic Festival at Brands Hatch with F1, Sports Cars, F3, FFord and Saloon Cars all on the same bill on the same day.

Max has already damaged the sport by clinging on to power. He's now threatening to do more damage :down:

200k euro :laugh:

Thats about the budget for a Clio isn't it. Bloody joke.

Mind you, Clio drivers in F1 cars......

Now, that's an idea. Where's Tom Onslow-cole when you need him.
26th June 2008, 16:29
ioan

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

Why now? Perhaps because he "is pushing ahead with his strategy to improve his historical reputation by creating the sport as it ought to be - rather than the sport he had fashioned..."

The first part of that statement is true, the 2nd one is just a supposition.

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

You're a little naïve ioan.
1) An F1 GP is not included on the calendar unless it is approved by the FIA. It is the FIA F1 World Championship after all.

You are the naive one, but acknowledging that is a bit hard for you.
Bernie is the one whi picks the place and the FIA is the one who checks if the venue ot's up to the FIA standards (mainly safety ones).
It was Bernie who wanted a circuit in Abu Dhabi, not Max. :p :

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

2) Max and Bernie co-existed quite happily until recently, and had done for decades. The regulatory and commercial aspects of the sport were carved up between them.

Yep, while max was taking care of the sporting and technical side of the sport, Bernie was stuffing his pockets, It's well known.

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

3) The support of Mohammad Bin Sulayem appears to have been crucial to Max at the EGM.

And the point being?! :rolleyes:
There is no point, really. as you have witnessed some people were against Mosley (notably Bernie Ecclestone, the so called "friend") and the others were for him?! What's the catch in your reasoning?

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

4) A couple of weeks after the EGM Max & Bernie are at loggerheads and Abu Dhabi has a GP.

As it it's big news?! The GP was already agreed one year ago. And work on it's structure is well underway. I have already seen it's plans and done some computation of some metallic structures that will be used there. It's not like max decided to thank his middle east supporters and as recognition gave the a F1 GP!

You are really making me :laugh: !
26th June 2008, 16:30
ioan

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

200k euro :laugh:

Thats about the budget for a Clio isn't it. Bloody joke.

Mind you, Clio drivers in F1 cars......

Now, that's an idea. Where's Tom Onslow-cole when you need him.

What a contribution to the thread!

The ones that are skinning Max for not making motorsport affordable are now in arms with him because it might get too affordable! :rotflamo:

Make up your mind people! :p :
26th June 2008, 16:43
Bagwan

Mohammed is pretty happy with himself .

If he bribed the member groups , then there is a problem .
If he merely talked sense to them , then we have proper democratic process .
I've not seen the bribery allegations all over the front pages , so perhaps we should figure there was no bribery .
26th June 2008, 16:51
Tazio

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

1) There is absolutely no need for another F1 feeder series when one already exists.
2) The costs are unrealistic
3) The time frame is unrealistic
4) It is a move motivated by politics, not motorsport
5) The FIA should concern themselves with regulating existing series efficiently and fairly, and not become promotors.

Max's F2 is not a sound idea at all.

Opinion, conjecture, hypothisis
speculation, and bias!

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

I'd rather go spend my money at events like the HSCC Historic Festival at Brands Hatch with F1, Sports Cars, F3, FFord and Saloon Cars all on the same bill on the same day.
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Don't let the broken exauast pipe hit you on the head on your way out!

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

Max has already damaged the sport by clinging on to power. He's now threatening to do more damage :down:

I disagree with that statement. you have absolutely no proof of that. So quit whining!
27th June 2008, 08:23
ArrowsFA1

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Originally Posted by ioan

Yep, while max was taking care of the sporting and technical side of the sport, Bernie was stuffing his pockets, It's well known.

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In 2004 there was certainly one great change in Mosley’s life when he finally became independently wealthy. It is believed he received a gratis payment from Bernie Ecclestone of US$300 million as a token of his appreciation. The influx of money signalled a move to the tax haven of Monaco. In England he would have paid 40 per cent tax on the windfall; in Monaco nothing. So in March 2004 Mosley made the decision to relocate there from London. But instead of coming clean and saying he was leaving England for tax reasons, he concocted the most amazing (and untrue) story: he claimed to have been advised that a fatal accident in a race event under FIA jurisdiction within the European Union could result in his arrest. It followed the introduction of a new European arrest warrant. Mosley said: “I have been advised that it would be prudent to relocate outside EU jurisdiction.” It was the most amazing nonsense, swallowed by just about everyone. Of course it would have been embarrassing should Ecclestone’s payment to him have become public.

http://www.sportspromedia.com/mosley.htm

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Originally Posted by ioan

You are really making me :laugh: !

Happy to oblige, but laughing while sticking your head in the sand is not advisable :p
27th June 2008, 08:33
ioan

You're comparing a supposed 300 millions with sure billions, made during the same period.
It's like saying that a guy on the minimum wage is filthy rich because he managed to earn a few millions during his whole life.

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