2008 Rally Argentina - official thread

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Originally Posted by Daniel

True. Thing is I only posted that because one of the Rautenbach fans sent me a stupid PM trying to rub my face in the ****.

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Conrad has fans ? And they even menace in pvt ? I thought only anti-Gigi guys were doing it http://www.motorsportforums.com/foru...ons/icon10.gif

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Originally Posted by tmx

Watching the review saw Loeb were angry with the decision with no cutting the tires, but I am more astound to found out they are actually running on the hard tires in the mud. Don't know how much that may have contribute to Latvala's off. But certainly I wasn't too optimistic with this control tires idea in some special conditions, such as high speed tarmac, could cause big accident in wrong tire in the wet. Hopefully the FIA will review this a bit more, or I'm just over reacting due to watching circuit racing seeing how important it is with the tires being right.
Furthermore when the news wrote 'Pirelli: We overcame a tough test in Mexico'. Ummm, no it didn't seem so for me.

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Loeb must shut up now. He starts to be annoying talking like that.
He is already winning the rally and also wants another advantage (yes, with cuts probably C4 would go faster... that's the obvious reason !). How many cars went off road ? Oh wait, only Latvala in a Ford ...
And Pirelli, they had some punctures in Mexico but less than the expected.
Almost zero punctures in Argentina eventhough the massive rocks which broke all the Fords suspensions ! One tyre for all is perfect (now nobody is talking anymore about Citroen getting better tyres from Michelin too :p !).
Pirelli is doing good job. It was nice show on TV too (did you see PG Andersson massive sideways action ? I didn't see that since Gigi in 2005 :p !).

he's not looking for another advantage, he just thinks the tyre regulations are making the sport a bit more dangerous, so a safer sport won't only benefit him

when the control tyre was introduced it was announced that no cutting would be allowed, and the tyre was made accordingly.

Cutting gives a big advantage to the skilled technicians, who would be in the works teams. The pattern of the cuts would be altered to suit by reports from weather crews.

No cutting =no weather crews=no advantage, which is what was intended.

Sebastien drove very well, and had to work very hard to achieve his win.

I wouldn’t say Pirelli are doing a good job, competent maybe. I’ve never been a huge fan of theirs. They got the contract because they weren’t Michelin.

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Originally Posted by bowler

when the control tyre was introduced it was announced that no cutting would be allowed, and the tyre was made accordingly.

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And as is obvious the tyre wasn't made "accordingly" enough.......

Control tyre = All weather tyre

So by your reckoning the Pirelli control tyre is a crap control tyre?

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Originally Posted by Tomi

I........For me it's hard to belive that all the teams did have a specialist with them.

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What?????
i guess any wrc team must to have their own tire specialist because the tires are a very important component. anyway if Pirelli doesn`t support all the teams in the same way something is wrong and the FIA should solve that situation.

The FIA risk the security of the crews when they write down silly rules as not allowing cut tires.

The FIA should be thinking how to diminish the risk for the crews, not to increase it.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

And as is obvious the tyre wasn't made "accordingly" enough.......
Control tyre = All weather tyre
So by your reckoning the Pirelli control tyre is a crap control tyre?

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That was made to lower the costs ! It's not hard to understand ;)

You (Loeb I mean) think it was dangerous in Argentina (untypical situation anyway) ? Then slow down... and go more sideways (oh wait maybe he can't do it) :p

hahha, Loeb can´r go sideways?!?!?!?

The problem I see with this is that we are lowering the field to get more level competition.
If we give a standard shocks to everyone, that would also lower cost and level the field, but no development is made, and the best developers loose their benefit (which is wrong, we shoudl favour talent!!!!!!)

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Originally Posted by ZequeArgentina

hahha, Loeb can´r go sideways?!?!?!?
The problem I see with this is that we are lowering the field to get more level competition.
If we give a standard shocks to everyone, that would also lower cost and level the field, but no development is made, and the best developers loose their benefit (which is wrong, we shoudl favour talent!!!!!!)

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Ok let's do a Citroen + Michelin championship then. All controlled by those you like... and you guys are happy ! http://www.motorsportforums.com/foru...s/rolleyes.gif

Ps. Yes Loeb can't go sideways. I mean: he avoids to ... because he is "oh no I will lose precious time on every corner plus destroy my tyres ... who cares about doing some show for people I only want to win" type of racer.

(yes first time I'm actually bashing Loeb, it was time uh ? ^^)

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

The 'whining' doesn't seem to be affecting his ability to win, though, does it?

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Helped by Ford boys stupid mistakes, but no. It just makes him look ridiculous.