[WRC] News & rumours (part II)

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19th October 2011, 23:34
tfp

[quote="AndyRAC"]I'd agree, sooner or later they must find one who is a world beater. However, the sport has never enjoyed a good image in Germany, summed up by BMW not liking their cars going Rallying when Prodrive got hold of one in the late 80's. Audi even claim their greatest Motorsport achievements have been at Le Mans.....and not with the Quattro in the WRC.....[/QUOTE]

:s mokin:
Beating one other manufacturer in Lemans is better than their 1984 wrc season? And pioneering 4wd road cars for years to come....They need to take a closer look at their achievements!
19th October 2011, 23:42
Fly_Half

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Originally Posted by darkstar

you dont know anything about wiegand blah blah blah

I'm sure you would have been absolutely delighted if a random, completely unproven UK youngster had been given the VW seat on WRC Germany ahead of several deserving local youngsters...
19th October 2011, 23:49
dimviii

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Originally Posted by darkstar

you dont know anything about wiegand, dont judge him for the results he showed at the academy rallyes(witch werent so special, i admit that, had expected a bit more too. but he also had technical problems and i´m not sure if his funding allowed him to really push, still not so special results, shure). he only did 1 rallye in the fiesta before germany. before he only drove a lupo gti and a swift n2. it is his first season in rallyeing...last year he drove 3 or 4 small rallyes in germany and now has driven 19 rallyes in his life ever, most of them had under 150 ss km, some even only 35 km... ...

So you think with these choices they try to find the German Ogier? Are they choices from a team that comes to wrc to win?

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Originally Posted by darkstar

so not mutch experience. and here in germany he had extremely good results, beating up a lot of drivers in his group n swift. also in french swift cup he set all besttimes on 2nd day at ralyle rouergue, and even was faster then the twingo r1 cup drivers on some stages. he almost always finished first in his class this year: http://www.seppwiegand.com/erfolge.html he already is faster or equally fast as riedemann, who has mutch, mutch more experience. its the first german driver formany years who has not this "main aim is to finish and get experience, bla bla bla" ability, he wants to push...

What was the potential of these twingo drivers? You mean that when you are faster or equal with Riedemann you can be choosed for wrc?

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Originally Posted by darkstar

before he did motocross, was european champion in cross country and so on......

Rossi was world champion in mot gp for years.Kimi was F1 champion.Will you choose them for a works wrc team?

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Originally Posted by darkstar

so for me he´s the best young talented driver germany has to offer at the moment. and i´m really happy that vw also recognized this. if they want a german, they should choose him, give him a drive in swrc with maximum attack allowed and maybe german rallye championchip or french, czech or what ever in the fabia, let him take part at the polo tests and then if he proves to be good, give him a drive in the wrc 2013 in the vw b team. maybe 2014 he´s on top then.........

Being talented in Germany rallying is not enough because the rallying is at very low level.Italy a country with good drivers,and a very high level in their championship.Can you pick up your choose for a works team?It is not easy to do it in Italy......

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Originally Posted by darkstar

so, i´m very happy with vw´s choise(maybe it´s because im german, shure, but finnish fans also seemed to be happy with lindroos, witch almost noone had ever heard from before). but i also share tommeke_B´s opinion, they should have let wiegand drive in spain instead of riedemann and give the wales drive to someone else. what i dont really understand is, why they give riedemann that 2nd drive. it´s not that i dont like him or so, but he had his chance this year...

Lindroos was fighting with Salo and Ketooma,best Fin drivers last years at Fin Championship with good results.Wiegand with who was fighting in Germany?Totaly different potential.
I think that you have missed something about the top level at wrc.Imho they had to have already choosed 1 or 2 drivers with serious potential and gain experiences even with skoda s2000 at all rallies of wrc.With one year is not enough,specially if at your only year of testing you have do the wrong choice.
I am talking about a team that wants to win Citroen-Ford-Mini.
20th October 2011, 02:00
darkstar

you guys are pretty polemic i must say, but ok...

i never said he´s world champion now, and also never said he´s going to be it ever. i never said they should pick him for the works cars, i said B team. i did not say beating riedemann or some french twingo guys make´s you best driver in the world. i also did not say being good motocross driver makes you wrc champion and i never said being good in germany means being good in the world, i´m not stupid! (competition level in germany is very low.) and i also said that i dont like the choise of giving riedemann a 2nd chance and instead they should have let wiegand drive in spain.

i only wanted to show you that he has very little experience and therefore is already pretty good, thats why i was telling you all this stuff.

and the most important part of my post, that said it all was this:

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so for me he´s the best young talented driver germany has to offer at the moment. and i´m really happy that vw also recognized this. if they want a german, they should choose him, give him a drive in swrc with maximum attack allowed and maybe german rallye championchip or french, czech or what ever in the fabia, let him take part at the polo tests and then if he proves to be good, give him a drive in the wrc 2013 in the vw b team. maybe 2014 he´s on top then...

so, to say it again: IF they want a german(what they obviously want), who else to choose? vw shurely wont take someone like wiegand for the 1st and 2nd car. but for a 3rd or 4th car, why not...if you want a german, you will have to build up one, thats it...

and in the end: it´s only a test! vw will shurely also have a look on lots of other drivers during next year´s testing season.
20th October 2011, 03:27
Zeakiwi

IS the Wiegand of the discussion on this vid ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whbDx9w4eMU
20th October 2011, 08:21
Mirek

So, Dimviii, pick one name of German driver for VW. No talking about abilities such driver should have because we all know them. Give us just one single name.
20th October 2011, 08:44
dimviii

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Originally Posted by Mirek

So, Dimviii, pick one name of German driver for VW. No talking about abilities such driver should have because we all know them. Give us just one single name.

That is what i am saying Mirek.Unfortunately there is no one at current time.Its difficult to choose for even a B team a driver,where the championship(German) is so weak.
Also i believe that is too late.
Thats why i am saying that vw ''tactics'' reminds me their last aproach at wrc.
Some things are impossible to do,regardless of how much money you spend.
So you have to understant it,except if your aim is to be just another wrc entry.
Mirek really you think that giving to a rookie 2-3 free drives with a car that he haven t drive,you can have any conclusions?
Just think if Latvala,Tanak,Hanninen had given just 2-3 free drives if you had choose them with all their offs at their start.
I mean that you have to choose 1-2 drivers and give them the oportunity for at least a year.How you wil see the progress in rallies that they haven t see at all,with a car he hasn t drive,and just so little rally km in his pocket?
Just giving to 10 different drivers free drives,with most of these drivers with just one rally,it is dangerous to don t see even the good potential of a driver.
20th October 2011, 08:49
dimviii

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Originally Posted by darkstar

you guys are pretty polemic i must say, but ok...

No mate,honestly not polemic at all.Feel free to discuss,that is the reason of forums. :)
20th October 2011, 10:10
Mirek

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Originally Posted by dimviii

That is what i am saying Mirek.Unfortunately there is no one at current time.Its difficult to choose for even a B team a driver,where the championship(German) is so weak.
Also i believe that is too late.
Thats why i am saying that vw ''tactics'' reminds me their last aproach at wrc.
Some things are impossible to do,regardless of how much money you spend.
So you have to understant it,except if your aim is to be just another wrc entry.
Mirek really you think that giving to a rookie 2-3 free drives with a car that he haven t drive,you can have any conclusions?
Just think if Latvala,Tanak,Hanninen had given just 2-3 free drives if you had choose them with all their offs at their start.
I mean that you have to choose 1-2 drivers and give them the oportunity for at least a year.How you wil see the progress in rallies that they haven t see at all,with a car he hasn t drive,and just so little rally km in his pocket?
Just giving to 10 different drivers free drives,with most of these drivers with just one rally,it is dangerous to don t see even the good potential of a driver.

In their situation it's not bad solution in my opinion. They have to build the new driver from almost no-one. And in that zero starting status You can base Your choice on short term co-operation. You are talking about giving him let's say at least a year. But that is exactly what they are going to do. The third seat is meant for that. But first they need to choose the one to give this opportunity. For sure it's better way to choose this one by this way than to play dice. After all they can't run ten cars with potential drivers for whole season to make You happy ;)
20th October 2011, 15:40
darkstar

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Originally Posted by Zeakiwi

IS the Wiegand of the discussion on this vid ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whbDx9w4eMU

yes it is.

or here for example with the lupo ;)

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...66413826_n.jpg

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Originally Posted by dimviii

No mate,honestly not polemic at all.Feel free to discuss,that is the reason of forums. :)

but still your discussion style is polemic :p but no problem mate, im not pissed or so, hope you are also not.

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