[WRC] News & rumours (part II)

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19th October 2011, 18:47
tfp

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Originally Posted by dimviii

did you see somebody fast from Germany the last 20 years? :D

I can think of at least two who go around in circles a lot :D
19th October 2011, 19:15
AndyRAC

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Originally Posted by tfp

I can think of at least two who go around in circles a lot :D

Yeah, Timo Bernhard & Mike Rockenfeller...... ;)
19th October 2011, 19:26
Mirek

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Originally Posted by dimviii

Its not quite the same with Ogier.Wiegand at 1st day at France was on par with Cerny.In every ss was from 10 to 20 sec slower from the r2 winner.He finished day 1 4min 12 sec behind fastest r2 fiesta.At day 2 was 7 minutes behind fastest fiesta with same pace at ss as day 1.
I really stragle to see any potential from this guy.

In his home rally the same situation.
Ogier wasn t 20-30 sec slower from guys with same car before ffsa/citroen grab him. ;)

same ''choices'' vw had do when they were competed at wrc with golf g60 4x4.Guess the results.
Ok these drivers are not the drivers are going to be the official polo crews,but i really can t find ANY logic in these choices....

It's too harsh to compare first WRC start of Wiegand and Ogier. One run private R2 car with probably very little funding and testing. The other run full factory S1600 after several months of testing with factory team.

The logic is there. They try to find German driver who may be fast in the future because there is no-one fast enough in present. Simple as that. Believe me that what they want to see is not same what You can see from results, it's about much more things like cooperation with team, feedback from car, ability to improve etc.

In the end it's their money and it's not one of the two main seats in the team so what is wrong with that? Instead of being happy that there is finally a works team which gives chance to young drivers to drive their third car there is still some "what a stupid choice" blabala.

And last thing... Judging purely by numbers in results from one or two events is often very inaccurate because You miss many important information behind those times. Just as an example with drive of Černý in France which You picked up. You don't know that there were problems with crankshaft sensor all rally...
19th October 2011, 19:27
tfp

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Originally Posted by AndyRAC

Yeah, Timo Bernhard & Mike Rockenfeller...... ;)

:D That wasnt who I was thinking, but, yeah, the Endurance drivers aswel ;)
19th October 2011, 19:37
Viking

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Originally Posted by dimviii

did you see somebody fast from Germany the last 20 years? :D

Heinrich von Schnellfahrer, also known as the speed phenomenon with monokkel and glasseye??? sorry that was 1975...
19th October 2011, 19:41
Mirek

Current lack of top German rally driver is in my opinion given mostly by poor image of rallying in Germany overall. There is no shortage of great circuit German drivers and in the past there were rally drivers as well. A country of 80 million people simply must have enough talents. They only need to do the "right" motorsport.
19th October 2011, 19:44
darkstar

i totally agree to all what mirek said! ;)
19th October 2011, 19:49
AndyRAC

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Originally Posted by Mirek

Current lack of top German rally driver is in my opinion given mostly by poor image of rallying in Germany overall. There is no shortage of great circuit German drivers and in the past there were rally drivers as well. A country of 80 million people simply must have enough talents. They only need to do the "right" motorsport.

I'd agree, sooner or later they must find one who is a world beater. However, the sport has never enjoyed a good image in Germany, summed up by BMW not liking their cars going Rallying when Prodrive got hold of one in the late 80's. Audi even claim their greatest Motorsport achievements have been at Le Mans.....and not with the Quattro in the WRC.....
19th October 2011, 19:56
darkstar

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Originally Posted by AndyRAC

and not with the Quattro in the WRC.....

but they use every chance to show off with it ;) pretty sanctimonious. like with that new ugly a1:

http://www.techfieber.de/images/wp-c...hersee-424.jpg

or in this advertising:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CU7omDxkhEc
19th October 2011, 23:23
dimviii

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Originally Posted by Mirek

It's too harsh to compare first WRC start of Wiegand and Ogier. One run private R2 car with probably very little funding and testing. The other run full factory S1600 after several months of testing with factory team....

Mirek i mean before s1600 season.

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Originally Posted by Mirek

The logic is there. They try to find German driver who may be fast in the future because there is no-one fast enough in present. Simple as that.....

I know what are they looking for.Iam just not sure if they are doing it the right way.

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Originally Posted by Mirek

Believe me that what they want to see is not same what You can see from results, it's about much more things like cooperation with team, feedback from car, ability to improve etc. .....

All these things cant be with a worthable driver?

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Originally Posted by Mirek

In the end it's their money and it's not one of the two main seats in the team so what is wrong with that? Instead of being happy that there is finally a works team which gives chance to young drivers to drive their third car there is still some "what a stupid choice" blabala. .....

Of course i am happy they are giving chances to young drivers.I ll prefere to have some potential,that i said.I didn t said about stupid choices.

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Originally Posted by Mirek

And last thing... Judging purely by numbers in results from one or two events is often very inaccurate because You miss many important information behind those times. Just as an example with drive of Černý in France which You picked up. You don't know that there were problems with crankshaft sensor all rally...

So Cerny with crankshaft problems was faster than Wiegand ?

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