The only other way would be to make the final day a full day so there would be enough stages to allow sufficient changes in times to affect the leaderboard. But I guess that's not what they want and prefer the cruise then drama for tv...
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The only other way would be to make the final day a full day so there would be enough stages to allow sufficient changes in times to affect the leaderboard. But I guess that's not what they want and prefer the cruise then drama for tv...
Restarting is not a problem, but there shouldn't be a difference between a crew who retire at the first hurdle and a crew who crash on the last stage - or worse, use retiring at last control as a loophole for longer service or better final stage time. If it's argued that more distance is covered but agreed restarting is not a problem, it's only the rules that push them back to the next leg. Sure J4mie would have accepted restarting immediately (the purpose of OTL not being the point)!
How about scratch+10 for all the leg's stages, not just the ones missed, would reflect better in the standings???
One of the rules is that as soon as you’re OTL you get penalties for every stage after that. So even though we had a completely healthy car and we’re keen to drive some mileage, there was no incentive to.
Maybe you should be able to restart at the start of the next section of you wanted to? Would mean less of a penalty.
Usually just not enough time to haul the car back to service, let alone fix it.
EDIT: or were you talking about OTL situation? I didn’t even know you can restart after OTL.
I've posed this before and response was that it could encourage potentially dangerous scrambles to recover crashed cars and also puts pressure on officials on tight itineraries. All retirements should be treated equally too IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by J4MIE
Top Gear @BBC_TopGear
Feast your eyes on the Ford Puma Hybrid Rally1 :cool:
Watch Chris Harris put it through it’s paces in the snow on this week’s all-new #TopGear. Sunday 8pm on BBC One and BBCiPlayer !
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I love the fact Chris keeps rallying so close to his heart, wish the people up there in the high places would share his same enthusiasm to it so we wouldn't be deprived of a rally in the UK & Ireland.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Chris Harris is one of very few top motoring journalists. I like his content a lotQuote:
Originally Posted by Eli
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Short clip about the top gear episode coming up https://youtu.be/-NnTWxIPHzA
New suspension for all the ExtremeE trucks! They can push harder from now on. Some will crack eventually, but you can already notice some difference on the sideways moves. Nice! Really into this concept. Qualy 1 is "rally" style, against the clock. Very cool
Tho Im still scared about the day when one of the trucks get on fire and the driver is inside... Safety crew is aaalways so far away from the actual track
Just a thought. Why couldn't WRC do 1 stage per rally in full EV mode. It wouldn't bother the fans if it's just 1 stage, but would give the manufacturers a chance to demonstrate their EV capabilities, which could in theory attract more manufacturers. Win-win?
It would require a huge and heavy batteryQuote:
Originally Posted by Päss1928
The currant HIV distance is in single figure kilometres per event. So no chance of even a full road section, never mind a stage.
When it was first announced I had naïvely assumed that all road sections would be done in EV mode. I really don’t see why they seem to have focused on boosting the already huge amount of power the car has, there wasn’t really a need for it. It’s a way of saying the cars are hybrid, environmentally friendly etc but doing the absolute minimum required.
What about the super special? it's already far from "real" rally and just a showcase for catching people in town. km are few enough, and is normally close to service park... it could become the sponsor-show before the real start of the race...Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Hyundai did a mock test with so called road sections allegedly using only EV mode? The WRC site/DF waxed lyrical about it. In retrospect its a bit of an own goal and opens the sport to ridicule if its not already there.Quote:
Originally Posted by J4MIE
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/geari...e-rally1-test/
They only had a short city HEV zone, like current rallies (should) have
True and I think Tanak's words in the follow up said what it really was about...PR
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/what-...e-wrcs-future/
In the latest series of TopGear, Chris Harris drove the Ford Puma Hybrid Rally1 built by M-Sport.
Join Chris in conversation with TG Magazine’s Jack Rix, where they discuss Ford’s hybrid WRC contender, the current state of rallying, electrification in motorsport, and more...
Video here: https://twitter.com/i/status/1546524721444839424
I, or we, couldn't have written a better script for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
https://youtu.be/esNBXqGouI0
This is a quite well made documentary series about rallying. The pronunciation is sometimes off, but at least there are next to no factual mistakes.
Two minutes in and I recognise this script - it's lifted from Wikipedia, except Paris to Madrid was not half the distance of Paris to Bordeaux, so this was carelessly copied. Will watch more though thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by becher
Well its not perfect, but at least he can read a Wikipedia page unlike plenty of others who "try" to make similar content. I mean even big budget stuff like "The Grand Tour" just sprouted bs about rallying that anyone with internet access could have looked up within 5 minutes.Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
https://www.eifel-rallye-festival.de...-306-maxi.html
Neuville to drive a 306 Maxi at the Eifel Rally Festival
Or Toyota marketing or wrc.com lol. Give anybody 5 minutes on the internet they will stick to Wikipedia. It's staggering how much bad information there is, and not necessarily by intention. It's the result of having an article written by committee over a 15-20 year period. Facts get eroded and removed from context bit by bit, facts become fctas, become accepted truth, then the lazy Toyotas and wrc.coms become the trusted citations of the new fctas, unless somebody steps up with real effort to really check the entire article, its history and sources, then the same things start to happen again anyway. The whole site is a fascinating experiment of human and social behaviour. It's OK for quenching the thirst for instant answers but must not to be trusted as a source for anything that matters, which is the mistake Toyota and wrc.com made. Aannyway....Quote:
Originally Posted by becher
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBV4tNzKFhA
Hyundai and their weird marketing where they pretend they are a huge motorsport brand.
Urgh... you can KNOW whats the next line from the text during the whole clip.
Technology, Future, Electric, Hydrogen, Sustainability, Power.. haha You can literally antecipate the whole text. Ewww
The 74 looks cool tho.
WRC is getting so predictable now - Toyota's are totally dominant, Hyundai's often unreliable and hard to drive and M-Sport's driver's mostly letting them down with errors.
I'm starting to follow it out of habit more than getting any real excitement in terms of the results.
Fan videos are still great though, showing the speed and skill of the driver's much better than the formulaic WRC+.
THIS!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
May I ask u (and the other fellas if thats the case too) for a longer thought on that? Do u think its just the predictabiliy? Cuz I have been feeling the same....same with MotoGP, BUT the series has never been so unpredictable, u'know? So I dont know "IMO" if the predictability in WRC is the actual reason some may be feeling "tired" of the sport.
Interesting topic, mate
Same =/Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Weirdly, I'd get SO much more excited about WRC as whole if the next months news were something like:Quote:
Originally Posted by lmmjvss
"Subaru to run the 2 Vermont ARA cars in Rally Japan", "Paddon to run his electric car in New Zealand", "ProDrive reportedly buying two '22 Toyotas to run as an independent team in '23 with Williams Engineering support", "EKS to enter 4 Audis in WRC2 for the next 3 rounds", "Peugeot to test a Dakar engine prototype in a 208 in Acropolis"....
Im missing some FRESH things around WRC. Need "new stuff" in some rounds to get me really pumped again. Hybrids were not fresh enough for me hehehe
Give me good driving any day and I do not give a s%it what they are driving.
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Agreed... and the driving is still great to watch hence why I highlighted the fan videos which really show this way better than WRC+.Quote:
Originally Posted by cali
90% of WRC+ All Live is an onboard view of the track ahead or the drivers face and that gets pretty boring after a while.
Sad to report the passing of Paddy Hopkirk the legendary Mini driver who's fame spread well beyond his win on the Monte into a successful business career.
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/m...k-dies-aged-89
One of those drivers I first admired as a seven old boy... Him, Eric Carlsson and Bengt Söderstöm. Bengt also drove BMC Cooper S in1962... think Paddy drove 1962 Midnattssolsrallyt... not sure. In that case I saw him live in his best days.
Winning the Monte - and making headlines, and an appearance on Sunday Night at the Palladium - it doesn't get better or bigger than that. A fabulous all round driver who was pretty handy on the circuits as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sal yet again
Paul-Henri Cahier
@F1Photo
The wonderful Paddy Hopkirk has passed away. He brilliantly won the 1964 Monte Carlo rally driving a Mini Cooper S.
The picture, taken my Bernard Cahier (my dad) after the event shows: Joan Cahier (my Mom), Jo Bonnier, Graham Hill, Fangio, Paddy Hopkirk, Sir Alec Isigonis. https://twitter.com/F1Photo/status/1...Cj7cGJz4QrAAAA
note: Back row. Unknown; Tony Ambrose, Ron Crellin, either Erle or Don Morley, Alec Issigonis and Henry Liddon. That's Stuart Turner, seated right.
Found this early form of scepticism from the Daily Telegraph, November 1959, just before the special stage was introduced.
https://i.imgur.com/3y6isf7.jpg
Seems spot on to me. Special stage with road closed to public was perfect solution.
Two things I was thinking today..
1) does anyone know if Lukyanuk is planning to return to rallying in '23?
2) Im not feeling like Ingram or Kajetan and Gryazin are getting more "RoI" from doing WRC2. Any chances of them going back to ERC?
(I meam, wrc2 is more expensive and the coverage on R5 now is basically bigger in ERC...sure, wrc gets bigger exposure, but is it working? Did Ingram or any of them said something about '23 or so?)
Agreed for what we now know and love as rally but some privateers just wanted to tour the country, there were conversations at the time about the direction the rally was taking - that being the year the rally moved to November hoping the weather would provide an attractive driving challenge. I posted that because it doesn't look totally out of place as a forum post - nobody really knew what the future held.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
One more evergreen clipping from the Herald Express January 1953. Torquay, Wales, Northern Ireland...
https://i.imgur.com/G7uyVjc.png
I don't know about Ingram or Gryazin, but if you were Kajto - would you find it motivating to go back to a championship that you already won 3 times?Quote:
Originally Posted by lmmjvss