Rally Wrc Mexicooo 2016

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Originally Posted by janvanvurpa

Maybe here for Block SS times
http://www.ewrc-results.com/driver_i...ly-Sweden-2011

Maybe here for Mats
http://www.raceconsulting.com/rally/...=Trimmat%204WD

SS8/9/10/11

2wd National "Grupp H"
http://www.raceconsulting.com/rally/...=Trimmat%202WD


More later.

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Thanks, any info on the spec/tyres etc the GpH cars can run?

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Originally Posted by Nornbugger

Thanks, any info on the spec/tyres etc the GpH cars can run?

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Skinny ones, with LOTS of nasty studs . maybe 8mm stick out.

The thing I was point out to people is the SM guys have much much surface conditions...like canyons instead of ruts...

Because of format it takes some going here going there to compare SS times, but its veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeery interesting.....As I said, 2 club MkII Golves and a limousin 940 Volvo beating newest spec Works Ford Fiesta....driven by OK not very good "gentleman driver" but a little something to think about that there is lurking undiscovered perhaps very good talent...

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Originally Posted by Mirek

Per, I struggle to read the whole argument, I admit, but I'm quite sure that differences between drivers on WRC level are reasonably bigger than differences between cars. You know You have the same set of rules, same tools, same options to design, compute, verify and test everything on the car but the driver is just an accidental work of nature with some additional fine tuning.

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For sure. But why discuss at all car performing abiliies? I mean the small differences are playing a role. Remember that in Greece 2012 Mads had not same suspension and gearbox ratios compared to Petter and was beaten on PS podium by one or two tenths of a second.

And Mads is not slow, that´s my main message.

Nobody on WRC level is slow (except Camilli in his current form) but their speed is not equal either and the difference in their speed is a lot bigger than difference between the cars therefore claim of Mads being slower because his car is slow is very hard to back by some actual arguments except personal belief.

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Originally Posted by Rallyper

Still my main issue is: Is Mads slow?

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first off, i have nothing against mads...he does add to the whole wrc experience and number of overall drivers in this category...and for sure ALL of those drivers have great ability and risk their lives in this sport.

however, its all relative to the criteria used to answer the question

over the last few events 2015/2016, i'd have to say he's generally slower compared to ogier, jari, meeke, mikkelsen, tanak, dani, paddon even the crash prone kubica and neuville,,and even somewhat to the newer player breen (early days yet)

now if i generally compare him to prokop, qassimi and some of the newer drivers, abbring, lefebvre, bertelli, camilli (early days still), then he appears faster

for the length of time mads has been in wrc, it seems fair that viewers/fans expect more from him

like many others, i suppose he has reach his peak and maybe that's ok as a 2nd driver pursueing manufacturer points, but not so ok for WDC pursuit

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Originally Posted by janvanvurpa

Skinny ones, with LOTS of nasty studs . maybe 8mm stick out.

The thing I was point out to people is the SM guys have much much surface conditions...like canyons instead of ruts...

Because of format it takes some going here going there to compare SS times, but its veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeery interesting.....As I said, 2 club MkII Golves and a limousin 940 Volvo beating newest spec Works Ford Fiesta....driven by OK not very good "gentleman driver" but a little something to think about that there is lurking undiscovered perhaps very good talent...

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I expect the world has dozens of Ogiers who had the been born in Ostberg/Mikkelsen etcs house they'd be winning rallies.

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photo...stberg0005.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photo..._ogier0007.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.p...1&fotograf=335



http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photo...016/mn_018.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2016/photo...016/mn_047.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.p...1&fotograf=119

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Originally Posted by gorganl2000

first off, i have nothing against mads...he does add to the whole wrc experience and number of overall drivers in this category...and for sure ALL of those drivers have great ability and risk their lives in this sport.

however, its all relative to the criteria used to answer the question

over the last few events 2015/2016, i'd have to say he's generally slower compared to ogier, jari, meeke, mikkelsen, tanak, dani, paddon even the crash prone kubica and neuville,,and even somewhat to the newer player breen (early days yet)

now if i generally compare him to prokop, qassimi and some of the newer drivers, abbring, lefebvre, bertelli, camilli (early days still), then he appears faster

for the length of time mads has been in wrc, it seems fair that viewers/fans expect more from him

like many others, i suppose he has reach his peak and maybe that's ok as a 2nd driver pursueing manufacturer points, but not so ok for WDC pursuit

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Still he is 2nd in championship. Tactics or slow, that´s the question...

He is always good in the beginning of the season...in the end of the season he will be 4th or even 5th, depends on Paddons performance.

Mads' championship standing may be a good example of slow in fast out rule :)