Team orders at Ferrari

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Originally Posted by Valve Bounce

Well, that's one of the benefits of being canonised by the Vatican.

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If I were an Israeli with a screen name that is also the name of a turn at Monaco, I would find such comments very ignorant as Jews do not recognize the sanctity of Catholic historical figures. :bounce: :s mokin:

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Originally Posted by eu

Button is giving Hamilton a good run for his money :laugh: . What team orders do you need at McLaren when one driver is consistently slower than the other? And the Red Bull internal fight is quite clean and fair with all the "save fuel" BS and the wing story... and the sudden lack of pace of Webber in Hungary... Don't you find it interesting how all of a sudden Webber is HALF A SECOND slower than his team mate?

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I suggest you take a long look at consistent RACE TIMES before making such a facile statment regarding Hamilton and Jense.

For such a supposedly quick driver a scant handful of points at this stage of the championship and an equal number of wins is definitely NOT what the Hamilton champions were crowing about prior to the start of the 2010 season.

As a RACE driver - I''ll take Jernse any day and the more uncertain and difficult the conditions - well, Jenson is in his element!

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Originally Posted by Valve Bounce

Oh yea! I almost forgot - they also are priviledged to re-write history. ;)

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Actually - Schumi MADE history - those such as Pedi-Chanello follow in his wheel tracks.

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Originally Posted by Saint Devote

Actually - Schumi MADE history - those such as Pedi-Chanello follow in his wheel tracks.

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And I am sure you have the holiest of intents in your re-writing of his exploits.

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Originally Posted by Saint Devote

I suggest you take a long look at consistent RACE TIMES before making such a facile statment regarding Hamilton and Jense.

For such a supposedly quick driver a scant handful of points at this stage of the championship and an equal number of wins is definitely NOT what the Hamilton champions were crowing about prior to the start of the 2010 season.

As a RACE driver - I''ll take Jernse any day and the more uncertain and difficult the conditions - well, Jenson is in his element!

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Ok, don't yell at me. You can have him. Two lucky wins in changing weather and he's the master of difficult conditions. I take a good look at race times and races results and tables and I see a driver that is regularly slower than his team mate.... let's not take a look in thier careers so far

When McLaren signed Button I thought McLaren were building a dream team there and I still do. A very young, fast and improving first driver to fight for the wdc and a perfect #2 driver to gather more points for the wcc. What's better than having a #2 driver that doesn't know it? Well, maybe a driver that is happy to be just a sidekick... but those are not so many

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Originally Posted by Saint Devote

Actually - Schumi MADE history - those such as Pedi-Chanello follow in his wheel tracks.

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Rubens's nick name is actually "Rubinho" ?

I just thought I'd point that out for you .

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Originally Posted by henners88

Can you prove it was not team orders? The flipside of this arguement is just as valid.

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A ridiculous question, and one which shows a total lack of knowledge.

It is the accuser who must prove the accusation. Ferrari do not need to prove anything. That is a fundamental principle of justice.

There was no instruction, no order, that is all the proof an intelligent mind requires.

"Fernando is faster than you, do you understand this message" contains no instruction, no order.

There is my proof.

For about the thirtieth time, where is your proof? Please, no untruths...pure proof per favore.

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Originally Posted by pallone col bracciale

A ridiculous question...

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Given that Ferrari have been found guilty, fined $100,000, and referred to the WMSC for breaching the rule relating to team orders and for bringing the sport into disrepute it is a perfectly reasonable question IMHO. The short answer is no, you cannot prove beyond question that it was not team orders.

That said, it cannot be proven beyond question that it was team orders!

The specific rule relating to team orders does not define either what a team order is, nor what form a team order can take, for it to be seen as breaching Article 39,1. It has been left for the FIA & their stewards to interpret the rule and clearly the stewards interpreted "Fernando. Is. Faster. Than You. Do. You. Understand. This. Message." as being a team order.

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Originally Posted by henners88

Race times show that Jenson matches Lewis but not consistently. You are right I would have liked to have seen more wins from Lewis so far but its also pleasing when we look at the results and see that in the 9 races they have both finished, Lewis has soundly beaten Jenson 7 times. I also think you are deliberately choosing to ignore the technical advantage one team in particular has over the Mclaren up to this point, don't you think? ;)

If we really want to sound off the hooters and claim Jenson is better in the wet, we can ignore races like Fuji '07, Monaco '08, Silverstone '08, Spa '08 and that just makes your arguement even stronger. Laters. :p

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Well after the last race I would say Jenson has much more experience.... running in the middle of the pack. If not for the two car failures for Lewis there would be a lot more points between the two drivers already.

On the up side, if it continues Lewis will already be able to say he has beaten two WDCs when put in the same cars.