Hamilton Stripped of Win - Official

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Originally Posted by Tonieke

Cars on the pit driving lane have right-of-way over cars in, and coming out of, the pit stall..

They don't talk anywhere about 2 or 3 pit driving lanes..Just one...so kimi should have backed of

in essence this is exactly the same situation as with Massa..I don't see much difference to be honnest...

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And I agree with you, there was no difference, and this makes the penalty in the later case a bit weird.

Have to go now. See you all.

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Originally Posted by ioan

He didn't go into the path of Sutil.
tell us where were you when the other 3 times this happened this season? Don't be shy! Were you calling for the driver's heads? I don't remember seeing you crying out about it! So don't be a hypocrite.



I'll only point out that Massa quit the pit lane area behind Sutil, so tell us where did he gain a time advantage. Don't duck it, answer this question. How did he gain time advantage if he joined the race track behind Sutil, isn't it what would have happened anyway?!

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We're going around in circles Ioan, where were you when drivers cut chicanes and let cars past but didn't go back enough, and even overtook after getting slipsteam? I don't recall you going on about that. Presumably because its never been penalised in the past.

Well, slowing down right behind Sutil to waiting for him to pass is slightly quicker. But whether or not he gained a time advantage is not the case, its fact that both incidents are penalised with a 25s time penalty / drive through.

Both were found guilty of their individual incidents, neither gained a sporting advantage - and different penalties.

Are you actually claiming that the Stewards have been consistant?

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Originally Posted by Mickey T

no, not dangerous at all.

no, three cars didn't crash into each other as a result of it, did they?

or was i dreaming?

you either have a law against releasing a car into the path of another car or you don't. you don't have liberal and less-liberal interpretations depending on the pitlane. there's one drive-thru lane and that's it.

if you extrapolate that, then ferrari attempted to gain an advantage by sending kimi out into kubica's path, kimi attempted to gain an advantage by refusing to yield when he was clearly out of position.

and, if they'd reached the red light (the cause of which has still yet to be explained by the race stewards or the FIA) one after the other instead of side-by-side, the dozers hamilton and rosberg would have had somewhere to go instead of having one of the most comical crashes in f1 history.

there is a difference between the massa and canadian incidents, i agree.

the difference is the massa one was a potentially dangerous situation with a lapped car, while the raikkonen one was an ultimately dangerous situation where they tried to eke an advantage for the race lead.

bugger all to do with the pit width, though.

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I'm sorry but that's the biggest load of rubbish ever......

Why are people suddenly latching onto this "gaining an advantage" phrase?

Surely if we're to be anal (you are being INCREDIBLY anal about it!) then Lewis should get a penalty for qualifying first as this gave him an advantage in the race.

It's not the fact that an advantage is gained that makes something illegal..... it's HOW the advantage is gained. Did Kimi gain advantage by shortcutting the track? No. Was his car illegal in any way? No. In an ideal world the cars would slot in neatly behind each other but sending a car out but it's not that easy when your car is stationary and the other is doing 80kph down the pit lane. The cars didn't travel down the whole length of the pitlane and they didn't go past the occupied garages either. It wasn't like there were any near misses with other cars or people jumping out of the way or anything so I fail to see how it's dangerous. I was driving down a road today doing about the same speed right next to another car. Danger level? Very low....

I agree that if Kimi wasn't alongside it might not have happened but the only causes of the incident were Lewis and Nico making a silly mistake. It was the F1 equivalent to a fender bender and no one blames the guy stopped at the lights who they crash into....... well at least not in the real world :)

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Originally Posted by Tonieke

like I said "Cars on the pit driving lane have right-of-way over cars in, and coming out of, the pit stall"

if you look at the video..kimi even positions his car in front of robert at the exit of the pit lane....at the red light...just before Lewis hits him !

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You just made that up :) Why would a car doing 80kph need to have right of way over a car slowing down to enter a pitbox?

If you look at this clip you see ... Lewis .... in a kart clipping a kerb!
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=DDjRdi5zv-w

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Originally Posted by Daniel

You just made that up :) Why would a car doing 80kph need to have right of way over a car slowing down to enter a pitbox?

If you look at this clip you see ... Lewis .... in a kart clipping a kerb!
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=DDjRdi5zv-w

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than what's the reason Ferrari got a fine in valencia anyway ? if by some on here..cars are allowed to drive next to each other in the pits...see canada...cars that are on the pit driving lane have no right of way...etc...

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Did Kimi gain advantage by shortcutting the track? No.

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Kimi clearly gained advantages at the first corner goin of track...Even if it was on the outside..Not trying to break at all to make the corner in a proper way....Rules they showed me here not make a difference between in and/or outside of a corner !

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Originally Posted by Daniel

it's HOW the advantage is gained. Did Kimi gain advantage by shortcutting the track?

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God how many more times do I have to repeat myself..seems some are just blind for this...

YES...Kimi clearly gained advantages at la source corner...goin of track...Even if it was on the outside..Not trying to brake at all to make the corner in a proper way....if he would have..he would never been that fast goin down Eau Rouge and passing Massa a little later...

And Rules that have been shown to me on here not make a difference between in and/or outside of a corner !

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Originally Posted by Tonieke

God how many more times do I have to repeat myself..seems some are just blind for this...

YES...Kimi clearly gained advantages at la source corner...goin of track...Even if it was on the outside..Not trying to brake at all to make the corner in a proper way....if he would have..he would never been that fast goin down Eau Rouge and passing Massa a little later...

And Rules that have been shown to me on here not make a difference between in and/or outside of a corner !

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You should call Ron , because , shouldn't he be protesting this ?

Oh...look....it's not the first time the Hamilton did it:
http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=TDh1Iy...eature=related

Pat Symonds's view is worth a read:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/70457

Oh, and the Official F1 site's video is pretty darn good too. It captures the excitement and drama of a superb race, as well as the damp squib ending that spoilt it all.