JML's crash was brutal: Monte 2013 - A Video PlayList on Dailymotion
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JML's crash was brutal: Monte 2013 - A Video PlayList on Dailymotion
Loeb explained that the road section towards the start of turini stage is a narrow road, with spectators car parked on either side, leaving room for 1 car width only.Quote:
Originally Posted by danon
As some spectator started to leave turini after 1st pass, people going down, crew gravel going up = road blocked
Latvala crash is indeed brutal. Good to hear that crew is ok...Quote:
Originally Posted by gloomyDAY
The COC must state the reason for stopping the rally not Loeb or anybody else doing the clerk's job instead.Quote:
Originally Posted by spiderem
;)
Yes, this is true, but you have to wonder how on earth it was possible to run, say, the 1986 event over 34 stages with no stage cancellations, while in 2013 two of just 18 stages ended up being called off. Something's not right there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Absolutely. Just think how many more people could experience this appeal if rallies were again allowed to be run over longer routes, more stages and more days.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Probably because in 1986 they didnt care about emergency services access or spectator safety or competitor safety......Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
This was the plan. Citroën knew the last stages would be cancelled.Quote:
Originally Posted by "
As the picture on the previous page shows.
How do you all expect to get rally cars to the stage. The clark of the course saiz road blocked, thats explanstion enough. We all rember the travel chaos on the Network Q Rally GB, around Sweetlamb Hafren in the mid 90s. Then we had a double width road, and the WRC cars had trouble getting through. All though i dont belive any stages were cancelled, they were run up to an huor late. That was not possible with the Monte, as the stages were all ready late.
There was just no way of getting cars up to that stage, not with spectators trying to leave, and come back down the mountain.
Maybe 3 runs was too many over Turini, its a great Monte stage yes. BUt maybe a morning run, then a night run, with enough time in between for spectators to move.
Or, if you spectate Turini, maybe stop people leaving till after the last car, of the last run.
Steve
A half an hour before Es16 starts, i was not allowed to drive the last 8 kilometers to reach Moulinet. The road was blocked to allow ambulances to descend.
As for the cancelled stages, i was told the vast majority of spectators gave up after es16 as loads and loads of frozen rain started to fall. No over choice to cancel for the clark.
Has anyone found any high res (1080P) pics which could be used as a wallpaper?
Next time he will say that Mr De La Pierre blocked the road in his red Peugeot 306 with licence plate ....Quote:
Originally Posted by danon
Really, a roadblock, isn't that an explanation??
i am started to be annoyed about this cancelation of stages situation.
if there is few spectators, you cry sport is dying, if there is too much spectators you cry when stages canceled. be sensible. get over it. no one can predict such a mess on the road section. organizers rely on "traffic police" and road section crews to solve the jam. but when it happens you postpone the start? it was already done and then stages canceled.
too many spectators came up with their cars, parked both sides of a very narrow road, only one car width left, it has to flow one way only but when some of them gone wrong way, it is blocked.
So now what? Conspiracy that Citroen have influenced the coc to cancel the stage as they had no tyres left???Quote:
Originally Posted by Gard
Come on....
think this explains everything. Maybe the ambulance is more importatnt getting out of the stage, and not rallycars getting into the stage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Puyan
Rember spanish spectator broke his leg.
Steve
IMHO RMC2013 was very difficult and demanded rally due weather conditions how for competitors so for organisers and canceling last lap was pretty correct and human decision. First thing is a safety element and people lives, we are witnessed last years tragedies during motorsport events ... will be rallies ...
Only organisers are to blame for cancelation. I couldn't find any info about getting to the stages, which road sections will be closed.where and when, when and where celbration will be hold etc. No even one guide on the website. Access to Col de Turini for SS16 was a joke, Gendarmerie stoped all the cars some 8 km before the stage and you had an option to walk 8 km or turn back even there was lots of space as hundreds of cars left Col the Turini. If they blame traffic jam for cancelation they should predict that in the first place and prepare road section for rally cars or just escorte them as in other rallies( that's only 45 cars). Funny thing to say but in 2008 fans were escorted from Lucerne to Col the Turini in groups of 20-30 cars to avoid traffic and chaos. Looks like rally funs are the least important factor of rallies these days, no TV coverage, no guides, shamble with split times, comparing to F1 or even ERC now, WRC seem to be ellite "sport" for chosen ones.
In 1980' there were far less cars. I guess that for moving the same number of people half of the cars were used. Anyway using twice more stages usually helps to spread people to more locations while less stages leads to concentration of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
With all these problems with traffic I think it is best Turini to be run only once in the evening, or perhaps another one in the morning earlier.
Agree. I also think that the best would be to run this section only once. Maybe they could add another stage like Col de Braus to add some kilometers.
The three passes were definitely too much.
At least road must blocked by police before running the stage and opened only after rally is finished. Is it too hard?
Another option is block completely road for private cars, but use several buses to move spectators to stage seeing points. Is it impossible?
A lot of solutions, only will is needed.
You expect too much :) it is much easier just to cancel stages. Funs? Who cares about them? Organisers don't care they made hundreds or even thousands km to get there and waiting in the heavy rain.Quote:
Originally Posted by uranium
this is my conspiracy! :vader:Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfun
hours of days of incars, hours of helicopter recordings of days, more and much much more... what we get is 25 minutes tv coverage with very poor incars and tiny bit of others. more interviews (which is not needed to be seen, it can be heard while a good helicam is being viewed and so on-you hear them on radio, right?)
and i think, there is a group of elites to recieve all those "archive" material, it is not for public! in time some spectators become youtube broadcasterers of sport as a result. which is good for the elites, so they don't need to worry about their plot.
Nice photo of the conditions on Turini
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2013/photo...i_img_9005.jpg
That's good idea too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
:p No, that was the deal done to make sure Citroen entered Loeb for Monte. Why else put those stages in the night? Both Citroen and the organizers knew those stages would be cancelled. so Citroen never had too save tires for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by spiderem
It was possible to reach Moulinet by Col de Braus (20km) . I choose to wait for them on the road section cause i was short in time but it was possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfun
Fantastic rally anyway.
I’ve once going to a stage in NORF with a bus but I don’t think I want to sit in a bus on those roads and in those conditions. :s hock:Quote:
Originally Posted by uranium
Well, there are many other examples I could have cited. The 1985 RAC, for example: 65 stages, of which three were cancelled on, if I remember correctly, exactly those grounds. Still a significantly better ratio.Quote:
Originally Posted by catty
Anything to reduce the number of stage repetitions and encourage the use of more different ones is fine by me.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
Yes, a very reasonable point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
That would not help at all. Notice that 2 Turini stages went ok, if some fans decided to move they normally shouldn't be allowed to get anywhere near. Organisers supposed to prepared for that. The narrow aproach to Turini finish were closed from 13:00 till the end of the rally and there wasn't any problem with spectators.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
That kind of is my point actually. The spectators watched these 2 stages ok. But for the 3rd pass (and weather becoming worse, top drivers retired), they've decided to go home, since already watched one night stage, and that was the problem I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfun
EDIT, besides one more different stage nearby would reduce the traffic and spectators on just one stage.
If you do all stages only once, there will be even more traffic...
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Originally Posted by dupanton
Let alone, that doing the stages only once, grows the cost for the organiser (different s.s. crews, chronos etc) skyhigh...
No repetition is not the solution... I 'd say that better planning and proactivity would really help...
I heard several times word "slick" from Paul King, Seb. Loeb etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
In MC 13 review
They were out of line and it was immidetlly crash.Quote:
Originally Posted by gloomyDAY
yes,by the word ''slicks'' they mean the asphalt tyre,which rightly is not a slick tyre.Slick tyre is the type of tyre they use at circuits with full rubber thread.But plenty of people at rallies use to call them slicks,the asphalt pattern tyresQuote:
Originally Posted by uranium
Ogiers interview
Sports | Ogier : “De belles promesses”
Of course this term can be stretchable - here Loeb meaned Super Soft tyres, on other Rallyes these would become Hard Tyres.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
To me, at least, an 18-stage event in which stages are repeated several times is simply not how a World Championship rally should be.Quote:
Originally Posted by sp0+
Have you ever tried to go through such a huge amount of video in a very narrow time frame?Quote:
Originally Posted by oyunbozan