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Who are you, Mr Know-it-all on rallying.. stop being pathetic. No wonder you have no 'likes' for anyone...Quote:
Originally Posted by jacko
If you start taking things out of a stage that have been there for years that everyone knows, then it's the thin end of the wedge and rallying will be neutered...
If the world's best rally drivers arent asking for such changes, why are you ?
Glad i've no likes, what are we talking about man. I'm talking about a seriuos issue called safety and you about how many likes ?!? Funny poor guy, it's says enough about you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Oh and some quotes from a rally driver, maybe you know him, Sebastien Ogier: he encouraged the FIA's investigation about the Hinkelsteins on stage Panzerplatte saying:
"We all know that zero risk will never happen in rallying and, of course, these hinkelsteins are one of hardest things that we can hit," he said.
"They are never moving and that's definitely bad for us.
"Maybe an idea is to try to protect them with a wall of some sort. It's not so many sections, it's just a few where the speed is very high - these are the dangerous places.
If the world's best rally drivers are asking for such changes, not many but on the real dangerous places, why don't you ?
Ogier is not talking for himself. He handles Panzerplatte just fine!
Thing with Ogier is if you ask him a question he will answer it, he will say exactly what he feels, its a good thing, no PR bull
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Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
It's sooooo I don't know what to try and counter any non-competitor when THEY start getting not just interested but in a lather about anything conceivably related to the general idea of safety!!!!!!:eek:
I spent a couple decades not slamming some poncy cars with incredible cages into things---I was busy slamming my body into things....Odd thing is that I was never asked if I needed warning not to hit all the various BIG rocks or rock walls or big trees sometimes just quite literally 3-4 inches away from the handle bars or footpegs...
I have this vision of the Safety Screamers thinking perhaps we should walk slowly thru every meter of every SS and somebody---and a priest with some boys with the smoking urns following saying " (Mumble mumble, some indistinct Latin) "Protect us from THIS rock---don't hit it...." "Protect us from THIS rock---don't hit it...." "Protect us from THIS rock---don't hit it...." "Protect us from THIS rock---don't hit it...." "Protect us from THIS tree---don't hit it...."
"Protect us from THIS house---don't hit it...."
"Protect us from THIS rock---don't hit it...."
Some crazy slow procession of the sinners..
I wish maybe somebody would have maybe occasionally reminded by not to hit the ground so often--especially with my poor head.
But oddly, once I started doing Stage rally, without anybody ever mentioning it, I never hit any of the huge trucks or road graders or water trucks or other big nasty bright yellow equipment the logging companies around here leave out in the woods...And oddly I didn't hit other cars on transits, or trees or houses either...
Without any special warning..
I wonder if I'm a genius or
maybe warnings and worry at some point are absurdities...because they are so fawkin obvious to anybody actually doing this sport IF they have an few ounces of brains.
(I did hit the ground with the roof a couple of times, still working on that:rolleyes:)
Incorrect, it is the sudden stop that kills.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
In these kind of shocking accidents we always try to find something, or someone, to blame for, sometimes forgetting that accidents are a part of the sport. On this one, the most important factor has also been forgotten: Lefebvre and Moreau injuries result from their car hitting a tree, not from hitting hinkelsnteins.
Even if hinkelsteins are artificial and may look a bit frightening (probably organizers will now eagerly place some tires on the messier spots), it’s also true that they’re quite similar to many natural obstacles that can be found alongside rally roads and no one, in his right mind, cares to remove.
Btw, as some of you already mentioned, the speed increase on WRC stages is another factor to look for. It raises a paradox, probably even more noticeable next year: as cars becomes faster, organizers must work to make roads slower…
The tractors in Finland were a totally different matter and the perfect illustration of a brainless rally innovation: chicanes are supposed to make stages safer, not more dangerous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Franky
Besides, if we start to pick bizarre obstacles in order to get average Joe’s attention, we’ll end turning Rally into a Circus or a sort of Mad Max races (for that purpose Gymkhanas, Drift and RX were already invented…).
The Valtra trctor chikanes was on a Micky Mouse stage specially made for average Joe. I can´t understand why it´s a topic. Hit the tractor and you are out. Your choice as a driver. Besides it was not in high speed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
And Valtra did put some amount of money in the event. So ... ?
They tested that place before with speed radar, maximum speed was 47km/hQuote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper