Rally Italia Sardegna '16

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Originally Posted by Rallyper

Think it´s one word too much htere. Should be: "attaching homologated rear window should not be an issue of homologation". Meaning how you attach homologated window, how could it be an issue?

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but it is not, is it?
http://www.rallyitaliasardegna.com/?ddownload=2246

this whole homologation thing is just a money making machine for the fia and the manufacturers.
in pretty much every other racing series the organizer just writes the general rules, and competitors have to make sure their car applies to them.
but in rally, the opposite is true. parts have to be homologated, even though no special rules apply to them.

in the case of windows, the only rule should be a full filling of the chassis holes, a certain material and some specific thickness. shape of weight are not specified, so they should never cause a penalty.

Ok, they screw up homologating rearwindow that had never been fitted on the 16´i20. For me it´s still not worth 50k.

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Originally Posted by denkimi

this whole homologation thing is just a money making machine for the fia and the manufacturers.
in pretty much every other racing series the organizer just writes the general rules, and competitors have to make sure their car applies to them.
but in rally, the opposite is true. parts have to be homologated, even though no special rules apply to them.

in the case of windows, the only rule should be a full filling of the chassis holes, a certain material and some specific thickness. shape of weight are not specified, so they should never cause a penalty.

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May be it isn't fair or something but all other cars comply with this. So money machine or not, these are "the rules" as You say.

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Originally Posted by Rallyper

Think it´s one word too much htere. Should be: "attaching homologated rear window should not be an issue of homologation". Meaning how you attach homologated window, how could it be an issue?

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My understanding is that the window has to be able to be removed without the use of tools, if that is so then the method of attachment could be an issue. Cheers

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Originally Posted by denkimi

this whole homologation thing is just a money making machine for the fia and the manufacturers.
in pretty much every other racing series the organizer just writes the general rules, and competitors have to make sure their car applies to them.
but in rally, the opposite is true. parts have to be homologated, even though no special rules apply to them.

in the case of windows, the only rule should be a full filling of the chassis holes, a certain material and some specific thickness. shape of weight are not specified, so they should never cause a penalty.

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Or they get a waiver...... ;)

And they still keep on about it ladies and gentlemen !!!! they still care about things they do not matter !!! Isn't humanity amazing and very very disappointing at the same time ?

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Originally Posted by N.O.T

And they still keep on about it ladies and gentlemen !!!! they still care about things they do not matter !!! Isn't humanity amazing and very very disappointing at the same time ?

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Please, do not be disappointed, here, take this picture, I know you like this kind of stuff

https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net...21&oe=57C8CD30

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Originally Posted by Rallyper

Ok, they screw up homologating rearwindow that had never been fitted on the 16´i20. For me it´s still not worth 50k.

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The 50.000 Euros may seem harsh, but Hyundai’s was lucky to escape from a time penalty like it happen with Citroen in ’09 Australia Rally. Then it was an anti-roll bar link problem, but the main issue is the same: no conformity with homologation form.
http://www.motorsport.com/wrc/news/r...ter-penalties/

In both cases there was no technical advantage from the use of the non homologated parts, so it makes sense to have only money penalty for this kind of administrative mistake, like it was decided this time.

Prokop’s problem seems to be totally different: breaking seals is a major fault and time penalties are established for it.

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Originally Posted by makinen_fan

Two different infringments. Performance advantage vs silly mistake in homologation papers? I am sure if Hyundai broke the transmission seal they would be given same penalty as Prokop.

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It is a relevant question from Mariusz. FIA has shown in the past that the penalties for various infringements are more or less random. The stewards have absolute freedom in choosing the penalty and it is true that they have been generally a lot stricter to privateers than to the works teams, for example some were disqualified for expired gloves etc.