Rally Guanajuato Mexico 2013

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Originally Posted by smsgrafica

Excuse me, but he didn't get the time back out of nowhere. The marshals looked at his time prior to the stop and how much he did loose while opening the gate. If it was 40 seconds, it's just fair he got that amount back, don't you think?

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Well, it is not correct to win a stage while stopping for nearly a minute and co-driver also making a mistake while clearing the road.

and 10 at the second......... deja-vu ?

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Originally Posted by Rally Talent

...what if Seb crashed with the closed gate? How do you think they should have made that up to him?

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You can't make everything up, but you should do what you can.

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Originally Posted by Rally Talent

This seems like a perfect opportunity to throw more petrol in the fireplace... so folks, what if Seb crashed with the closed gate? How do you think they should have made that up to him?

No matter who's in question, I personally don't like this kind of rules. Life isn't fair in the first place. We've seen a lot of **** happen to some drivers, some are more lucky, some or not. In a series of 13 different events, the one who survives through with best result in the end should be awarded the championship title. Period.

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It would have been tough really if he had crashed into the gate, not seeing an obstacle on the stage equals going off the road. Same really if they have a crash in the road section and retire.

The only thing I can see positive about the decision is it discourages this sort of action from spectators, if indeed it was the case. Do we want to see barricades built across stages because someone has sour grapes that Ogier is blisteringly quick?

The decision was with Clerk of the course, their call and they awarded the lost time. I'm happy enough with that, though agree it should not be the full time, particularly seeing there was a certain amount of messing about with opening the gate.

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Originally Posted by smsgrafica

You can't make everything up, but you should do what you can.

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I don't have a problem with removing all the time lost at the spot BUT I do have problem with the fact that this very same situation happening to somebody from down the order would be sure solved different way by the stewards (very likely no notional time would be given).

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Originally Posted by Rally Talent

This seems like a perfect opportunity to throw more petrol in the fireplace... so folks, what if Seb crashed with the closed gate? How do you think they should have made that up to him?

No matter who's in question, I personally don't like this kind of rules. Life isn't fair in the first place. We've seen a lot of **** happen to some drivers, some are more lucky, some or not. In a series of 13 different events, the one who survives through with best result in the end should be awarded the championship title. Period.

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There is so much opportunity for such things to happen in rallying, too. A freak shower in the middle of a stage — should this be compensated for by altering stage times of those affected?

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Originally Posted by smsgrafica

Sorry, but I disagree. The conditions should be equal for everyone and if there's a problem with the stage, it's just fair to give back the crew the lost time.

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I tend to agree with you, but what should the organisers do if spectators throw stones on a drivers windscreen and the driver crashes as a result of it. How can you afterwards equal that out among all drivers, without cancelling the whole stage and all the following ones?

And what should FIA have done if that Spanish idiot that drove into Loeb in Rally GB had decideed the championship (because the spanish driver had forgot they drive on the left in GB)? It didn't decide the championship, because Hirvonen had crashed the day before, but that would have been a really weird way to decide a world championship if Hirvonen had won it in a "Force majeure" kind of way.

I think we see these spectator things every year in Mexico, and one day it will affect a result so I thing they should do something about it - and if they can't they shouldn't rally there.

I just saw the situation with the gate, finally I also think to give him back that seconds are not right. Its not sure if this made a spectator, if yes, to stop Ogier, better to secure it with a padlock. For me it seems easy that the gate close when the car before him pass. Look, the gate closes when the codriver went back to the car.

What happens if an animal pass the road? This was also in past very often, with sometimes ended in an accident. Cancell the race? Thats rallying! About puncture, a user before means for sure if a spectator put a big stone on the road and next car push it. Any time changes in past? I dont remember.

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Originally Posted by Sprocket

The only thing I can see positive about the decision is it discourages this sort of action from spectators, if indeed it was the case.

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Spot on mate.

Hey guys.. there is a stage going on!