Kimi's future - No racing in 2010?

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Originally Posted by jas123f1

Agreed in both cases - I even think that JB would been fighting more if the fight had been about a win – and Webber is not very easy to overtake either.

I hope Kimi take the McLaren offer - I think the most important thing for him is not money but the possibility to get a best possible car to EVERY RACE.

Ferrari was giving Massa the first driver status and I don't think Kimi like to have the same situation one again. Not even with big money - So I believe that if the offer is without problems like that - then Kimi will be in a McLaren possible two year ..

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I have to agree with Executioner here. Bunsen was 0.7 seconds per lap faster than Mark, and was overhauling him easily, and caught up with him with many laps to spare. And furthermore, there was no pressure on Bunsen as he had already won the WDC; the heat was on Mark.

Under the circumstances, Kimi would have fought Mark tooth and nail for the last 6 laps, and he would have passed him. Kimi is a racer first of all, and that's what he does!!

And as ioan pointed out, Bunsen is a curbstone.

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Originally Posted by Valve Bounce

I have to agree with Executioner here. Bunsen was 0.7 seconds per lap faster than Mark, and was overhauling him easily, and caught up with him with many laps to spare. And furthermore, there was no pressure on Bunsen as he had already won the WDC; the heat was on Mark.

Under the circumstances, Kimi would have fought Mark tooth and nail for the last 6 laps, and he would have passed him. Kimi is a racer first of all, and that's what he does!!

And as ioan pointed out, Bunsen is a curbstone.

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lol agreed :up:

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Originally Posted by Valve Bounce

I have to agree with Executioner here. Bunsen was 0.7 seconds per lap faster than Mark, and was overhauling him easily, and caught up with him with many laps to spare. And furthermore, there was no pressure on Bunsen as he had already won the WDC; the heat was on Mark.

Under the circumstances, Kimi would have fought Mark tooth and nail for the last 6 laps, and he would have passed him. Kimi is a racer first of all, and that's what he does!!

And as ioan pointed out, Bunsen is a curbstone.

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Kimi would have passed him within the first couple of laps after catching up.

Short of waving him past, Webber was very un-Webber like in that he moved over early, and made one deliberate move with nothing crazy thrown in. Jenson still couldn't stick it. He was probably still shaken up from when Kobay schooled him about outbraking himself. :laugh:

What a lot of guys here are bitching about is Kimi's high salary; well, that came about because Ferrari had to stump up those millions to lure Kimi from McLaren where he was showing up as the fastest guy on the track.
Why blame anyone just because he is offered a high salary. Could it be that the car was not ideally suited to Kimi's driving style this year, or more likely not as fast as the opposition?
I just hope that Kimi returns to McLaren, because McLaren will then have two blisteringly fast racers, and one gigantic headache in having the two in one team fighting for one championship. We can't ask for more next year, especially with Massa back teaming up with Alonso, Rosberg with Bunsen, and Webber with Fettel. (I do hope Rosberg is going to Brawn, isn't he?? )

I think Kimi's options are pretty much coming to a close.

Renault has Bobby & Timo, Brawn is likely to re-sign Button & bring along Rosberg, Toyota is going to bail from F1, Ferrari kicked Kimi out of the team, and McLaren have a vacancy alongside Hamilton.

F--- it! Kimi should just sign up with McLaren. Screw the salary. That boy isn't going to starve to death anytime soon.

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Originally Posted by gloomyDAY

Ferrari kicked Kimi out of the team

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Nobody kicked anybody anywhere. Unfortunately sponsor money talked and Kimi had to make way for Alonso, because the Spanish bank Santander wanted a Spanish rider in a team they would be title sponsors of. And of course, they don't want a high caliber driver in the other seat threatening to beat Alonso. The only reason why Santander even went to Mclaren was for Alonso, signing a three year contract, not knowing he was gonna get sacked after an year.

If Nokia, Nordea or any other big Finnish bank cared to be, or have enough money to be Ferrari's title sponsor, Kimi would be the number one driver in the team right now.

Ferrari couldn't sack Massa after his unfortunate accident. They HAD to keep him in the seat, and take a chance on whether he'd be the same after his recovery, or else they'd look like complete villains to the world. And because of all this, Kimi had to make way.

It's disgusting how much sponsor money talks in F1.

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Originally Posted by Valve Bounce

I have to agree with Executioner here. Bunsen was 0.7 seconds per lap faster than Mark, and was overhauling him easily, and caught up with him with many laps to spare. And furthermore, there was no pressure on Bunsen as he had already won the WDC; the heat was on Mark.

Under the circumstances, Kimi would have fought Mark tooth and nail for the last 6 laps, and he would have passed him. Kimi is a racer first of all, and that's what he does!!

And as ioan pointed out, Bunsen is a curbstone.

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Very unfair. Jenson overtook a lot of people this season, including Lewis Hamilton in Bahrain and Fernando Alonso in Malaysia. I remember the case with Alonso, Raikkonen was unable to pass him even if the Ferrari was clearly faster than the Renault. So this is very unfair for Jenson. Jenson is a good overtaker. However, he likes to finish races too, so he would not retire in vain attempt to pass a driver when it is not possible a la Raikkonen in Belgium 2008.
Please note that I like both Jenson and Kimi and to be honest, believe that Raikkonen is better than Button. However, to say that Jenson is not a racer, a curbstone, is very unfair and, honestly, stupid.

Nice to see some support for Bunsen.
That last statement of mine about what ioan said is really tongue in cheek. I just forgot to add the smilie. But I do feel that Kimi would have passed Mark, and Bunsen didn't. That's all!!

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Originally Posted by gloomyDAY

I think Kimi's options are pretty much coming to a close.

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It's McLaren or nothing if Kimi wants a chance of winning races.

The sticking point might be salary. Kimi's management have done an extraordinary job for their boy so far but they may find McLaren aren't willing to pay big bucks this time around. Perhaps only Toyota were but that particular door's now shut.

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

It's McLaren or nothing if Kimi wants a chance of winning races.

The sticking point might be salary. Kimi's management have done an extraordinary job for their boy so far but they may find McLaren aren't willing to pay big bucks this time around. Perhaps only Toyota were but that particular door's now shut.

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Ross Brawn also commented that Kimi is too expensive.
http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2009/...ve-says-brawn/
"However, what does Ross make of the requested figures from the man who was the highest-paid driver on the grid in 2009? "Too expensive," the Englishman said of Räikkönen. "His management negotiate as if there is no seperation from Ferrari."

Of course, as we see with Jenson, Ross is a bit stingy /he reminds me of Frank Williams/, but if McLaren find Kimi expensive, maybe Brawn has a point with the problem.