Deutschland rally 2016

hps are a variable in a safety discussion, it's impossible to deny it, the slower the safer. But if power is one of the many variable, the nature of the sport should be the constant. To me it's important to have a number of hp that is the safer possible but that will preserve the nature of the sport.
The hinkelsteins are some rocks in a couple of german stages, if they go in another place without them is ok to me. But let me say that it is a bit strange that some try to avoid some rocks in a couple of corners and some other add speed to already fast cars.

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Originally Posted by AL14

The hinkelsteins are some rocks in a couple of german stages, if they go in another place without them is ok to me. But let me say that it is a bit strange that some try to avoid some rocks in a couple of corners and some other add speed to already fast cars.

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It's difficult to find the right balance between hp and safety. Any car going with 200 km/h can be dangerous, but the more hp, the more wow effect. As for hinkelsteins they're just part of the scenery at Panzerplatte, nothing more.

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Originally Posted by stefanvv

It's difficult to find the right balance between hp and safety.

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nobody said it's easy :)

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Originally Posted by stefanvv

As for hinkelsteins they're just part of the scenery at Panzerplatte, nothing more.

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Exactly.

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Originally Posted by AL14

Exactly.

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Now imagine they cancel the Volcano stage from Azores because it could actually erupt.

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Originally Posted by N.O.T

Yes if you are like yourself you do that, but if know how to put things into perspective you can leave the nature of the sport intact and make it safer as well.

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Poor old man. When making something safer, you can't forget the mentality of a driver who is racing. If it feels safer, they will be going faster attempting to squeeze the very last out of as many turns as possible.

Let's take the famous Valtra tractors from Harju stage (Finland) and bales from Poland and Germany. Drivers said the tractors are too dangerous and should be replaced with bales that are safer. Did anyone hit the tractor? No. Now think what has happened with the bales in Germany and Poland. They are like punching bags that get no respect from the drivers. They hit, push or kiss them. If there's no natural danger instinct kicking in, there's absolutely nothing holding them back.

You can put the crews in 100bhp cars that are running on standard summer tire pattern. If it is a race, the top guys will be gunning for it anyway. And if they are going for it, there's absolutely nothing that could save them from a mistake that could lead into a crash. And freak accidents happen.

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Originally Posted by stefanvv

Now imagine they cancel the Volcano stage from Azores because it could actually erupt.

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If they would find I reason to cancel it is not because of the eruption. :)

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Originally Posted by Franky

If it feels safer, they will be going faster attempting to squeeze the very last out of as many turns as possible.

Let's take the famous Valtra tractors from Harju stage (Finland) and bales from Poland and Germany. Drivers said the tractors are too dangerous and should be replaced with bales that are safer. Did anyone hit the tractor? No.

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I hope you will never have any safety task or responsibility in any kind of context or scenario :)

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Originally Posted by AL14

If they would find I reason to cancel it is not because of the eruption. :)

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Of course not, but they could, couldn't they;)

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Originally Posted by AL14

I hope you will never have any safety task or responsibility in any kind of context or scenario :)

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Oh, I'd bring gravel traps and grass back to F1 tracks.

Tho would had preferred, if you had kept the whole paragraph in the quote not just the first half of it.

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Originally Posted by Franky

Poor old man. When making something safer, you can't forget the mentality of a driver who is racing. If it feels safer, they will be going faster attempting to squeeze the very last out of as many turns as possible.

Let's take the famous Valtra tractors from Harju stage (Finland) and bales from Poland and Germany. Drivers said the tractors are too dangerous and should be replaced with bales that are safer. Did anyone hit the tractor? No. Now think what has happened with the bales in Germany and Poland. They are like punching bags that get no respect from the drivers. They hit, push or kiss them. If there's no natural danger instinct kicking in, there's absolutely nothing holding them back.

You can put the crews in 100bhp cars that are running on standard summer tire pattern. If it is a race, the top guys will be gunning for it anyway. And if they are going for it, there's absolutely nothing that could save them from a mistake that could lead into a crash. And freak accidents happen.

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This is spot on. The rest of you are in denial.