Hamilton Stripped of Win - Official

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Originally Posted by Tonieke

I did say team no ? and I was just wondering why ferrari got a fine in valencia and why they did not got one in Canada....as it looks they also released Kimi to early..just like they did with massa in valencia..How else you explain Kimi ended up next to and on the left of Robert ?

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Because in Canada it was not dangerous at all given that the pit lane is 3 times larger?!

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Originally Posted by Tonieke

well they might be so called "independant" but in the end it is FIA who hands out there licenses to be a steward...

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Well you and I as drivers also pay to the FIA and get some kind of membership in return, does this make us biased towards the FIA?

Hamilton himself get's his license to drive an F1 car directly from the FIA. So what?

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Originally Posted by ioan

Here, from a somewhat more reliable source (hope you agree):

"As a result of the incident Ferrari have been reprimanded and Ferrari fined 10,000 Euro for the "unsafe release from pitstop, although no sporting advantage was obtained."

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/70038

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Ioan, in search of resolution to this dispute, I looked up the relevant regulations. Article 154 of the 2008 International Sporting Code says:

"A fine may be inflicted on any competitor, and also on any driver, assistant or passenger, who does not comply with the requirements of any Regulations or with any instruction of the officials of the meeting (see Article 132)."

Perhaps they mean 'competitor' to mean 'constructor', in the case of F1. As you can see, however, this does not exclude the possibility of Massa being fined (and possibly Ferrari paying the fine for him).

I wish we could see the original Steward's decision. It's starting to worry me now :D

I think it would be very difficult to FIA to changes the decision now - there are so much details which tells that stewards make (after on further consideration) a right thing when they gave Lewis 25 second penalty -- if English media then like it or not.

I'm sure it wasn't easy decision but they had not possible to let things like that go past, because you must decide with respect and with regarding to the rules. There is now other way - you can’t start to think what some other stewards made in some other cases there you don't have any accurate knowledge what really happened... i must say I'm a bit disappointed to Niki Lauda - i think he should know better.. than to making this bigger than they are – for me this is a storm in a teacup .. :)

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Originally Posted by ioan

Well you and I as drivers also pay to the FIA and get some kind of membership in return, does this make us biased towards the FIA?

Hamilton himself get's his license to drive an F1 car directly from the FIA. So what?

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so what ? If FIA decides to take away anyones license..they no longer can race at events ruled by FIA..either can stewards...what does that mean ? They are the boss after all no ?

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Originally Posted by ioan

Because in Canada it was not dangerous at all given that the pit lane is 3 times larger?!

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than why there is this white line ?

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Originally Posted by cosmicpanda

Ioan, in search of resolution to this dispute, I looked up the relevant regulations. Article 154 of the 2008 International Sporting Code says:

"A fine may be inflicted on any competitor, and also on any driver, assistant or passenger, who does not comply with the requirements of any Regulations or with any instruction of the officials of the meeting (see Article 132)."

Perhaps they mean 'competitor' to mean 'constructor', in the case of F1. As you can see, however, this does not exclude the possibility of Massa being fined (and possibly Ferrari paying the fine for him).

I wish we could see the original Steward's decision. It's starting to worry me now :D

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Here you go! ;)
They say the competitor is named Ferrari Scuderia Marlboro.

http://www.fia.com/europegp/document...ocument_41.pdf

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Originally Posted by Tonieke

than why there is this white line ?

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For delimitation of the pit box area?

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Originally Posted by Tonieke

so what ? If FIA decides to take away anyones license..they no longer can race at events ruled by FIA..either can stewards...what does that mean ? They are the boss after all no ?

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Sure, but they can't do so without a serious reason. Exactly like how the police can't take away your driving license without a reason.

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Originally Posted by ioan

For delimitation of the pit box area?

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so drivers can..when entering or leaving the pitlane..drive where ever they want..if it is...in your opinion just mend as a delimitation ?