Max Mosley opens a can of worms.

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Originally Posted by Tazio

Actually it was MI5 working in concert with the Anglo-Mafia! :p :

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The only thing MI5 are any good at is leaving laptops on trains.

I would just like to note, that I would think that if someone walked into one of those dungeons like where Max visited and said "I need a prostitute/hooker/whore" I would suspect they would be quickly shown the door...

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

For someone with such an open (as in the lights are on but nobody's home :laugh: ) mind, you do sound rather like a scratched record.

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Funny, seems like some are suffering from a power outage :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

Are you seriously suggesting, nay claiming, that Max doesn't let his animosity to Ron affect his decisions?

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If you look at the whole spygate incident, Max had plenty of opportunity to stick a knife into RD but didn't...

Stop reading that Brundle BS... you should already be aware of the stink it carries... smell like...

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

McLaren had Ferrari data. That is a fact and some of that information was indeed used. Nobody is denying that although for some reason you feel the need to constantly bring it up and claim nobody accepts the fact. McLaren received a $100M fine etc and Max claimed this was letting them off lightly.

So, my dear chap. Tell me about le cheats then. Why is Renault having McLaren parts on their car not dealt with similarly? For someone with such an open mind, it looks obvious on the surface, does it not.

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The first paragraph answers your question in the later... Renault weren't given the $100m fine and the fun that goes with it because there was no evidence to suggest they used the McLeran information... exactly the same punishment that McLeran recieved at first time around concerning the stepneygate saga... But I guess giving McLeran a warning first time around was Max's attempt at getting rid of RD?

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Originally Posted by PSfan

I would just like to note, that I would think that if someone walked into one of those dungeons like where Max visited and said "I need a prostitute/hooker/whore" I would suspect they would be quickly shown the door...

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Probably, seeing as most of them allegedly only spoke German :laugh:

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Funny, seems like some are suffering from a power outage :rolleyes:

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I tend to put forward facts backed up by the opinions of people involved in the sport. The truth doesn't change just because it's ignored by a very small minority :rolleyes:

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If you look at the whole spygate incident, Max had plenty of opportunity to stick a knife into RD but didn't...

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Nope, he let him off with a kiss on the cheek like he did with Renault :laugh:

If you remember correctly, he wanted to throw them out for a couple of years and bankrupt them. What he was forced to do was fine them an unprecidented amount of money. I think he's still upset he didn't finish Ron off personally but that's only an opinion.

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Stop reading that Brundle BS... you should already be aware of the stink it carries... smell like...

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It actually makes perfect sense and is a widely held view in the sport. Just because you don't like it doesn't really change anything as the people that matter are the ones saying it.

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The first paragraph answers your question in the later... Renault weren't given the $100m fine and the fun that goes with it because there was no evidence to suggest they used the McLeran information... exactly the same punishment that McLeran recieved at first time around concerning the stepneygate saga... But I guess giving McLeran a warning first time around was Max's attempt at getting rid of RD?

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There was evidence. It was a whitewash.

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

Probably, seeing as most of them allegedly only spoke German :laugh:

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I'm sure most readers understood the point I was making... but if I need to repeat myself, this disclaimer taken from a a dom from Calgary says it best:

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Originally Posted by Lady Seraphina

PLEASE NOTE: Domination is NOT Prostitution. If this is what you are seeking - look elsewhere!

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

I tend to put forward facts backed up by the opinions of people involved in the sport. The truth doesn't change just because it's ignored by a very small minority :rolleyes:

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Facts backed by opinions???

Also I hadn't realised people involved in the sport had an opinion on ioans "lights being on"

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

Nope, he let him off with a kiss on the cheek like he did with Renault :laugh:

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Well, I'm not sure about the kiss on the cheek, but at first he was gonna let them off until emails and such suggested an attempt to use the Ferrari data was used contrary to what Mcleran's claims where.

If Max was really out to get RD, fines and other penalties could have been levied before the Alonso - PDR messages came to light...

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

If you remember correctly, he wanted to throw them out for a couple of years and bankrupt them. What he was forced to do was fine them an unprecidented amount of money. I think he's still upset he didn't finish Ron off personally but that's only an opinion.

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Based on precidents from the WRC... the 2 year ban was expected... As I posted before, if Max was really out to get RD he could have leveraged the Stepneygate saga to more effect to get RD out of the sport.

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

It actually makes perfect sense and is a widely held view in the sport. Just because you don't like it doesn't really change anything as the people that matter are the ones saying it.

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The link that Arrows provided ealier about the "double standards" is a prime example... it ignores the FACT that Mcleran was initially given the same penalty that renault received and bases everythin ont the "out to get Mcleran theory that is laughable at best...

Thanks to "witchhunt" and "pikey" comments, pretty soon that Times column might be the only thing on Martin's plate... the sport will be better when that happens...

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

There was evidence. It was a whitewash.

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What evidence? based on the timing of it... Renault had gotten useless information... they where defending champions at the time, and the only thing of value maybe was the j-damper, and only because of the simularities to their mass dampers system that was deemed illegal.

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Originally Posted by Dave Brockman

Steady on old chap. Are you suggesting that Bernie somehow engineered the whole thing? Persuarded Max to visit prostitutes and arranged for the ensuing orgy to be filmed? I'm sure you're not suggesting that, becuase that would be a serious and potentially libellous accusation.

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You have a very healthy fantasy!

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

For someone with such an open (as in the lights are on but nobody's home :laugh: ) mind, you do sound rather like a scratched record.

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:rotflmao:
Look who's talking, again! :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by trumperZ06

;) Hhmmmm... it seems like having.... "an open mind"...

in an attempt to defend Max's vindictive WITCH HUNT of Dennis...

accompanlied with...

an egregious SEX SCANDAL,

simply displays one's inability to provide a sound arguement !!!

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The poorest argument ever to be expressed in this thread! Thanks a lot! :p :

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

I tend to put forward facts backed up by the opinions of people involved in the sport. The truth doesn't change just because it's ignored by a very small minority :rolleyes:

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:rotflmao:

The truth isn't in people's opinions (and even those are carefully selected to suit your POV)! The truth is in the facts. Hope it isn't to big of a shock for you to accept that! :p :

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Originally Posted by PSfan

Also I hadn't realised people involved in the sport had an opinion on ioans "lights being on" .

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Don't worry PSfan, we all know that Knockie is venting his frustrations around here, using all kind of "intelligent" snipes about language and lights...
Better not bother him, who knows what happens if he gets more frustrated.

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Originally Posted by ioan

:rotflmao:

The truth isn't in people's opinions (and even those are carefully selected to suit your POV)! The truth is in the facts. Hope it isn't to big of a shock for you to accept that! :p :

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:p : The problem is Ioan,

Many of us lose patience with you when you...

CONTINUE to refuse to acknowlege the "FACTS".

Arrows... as well as many many others, time & time and time again,
give you reference sources that back up statements... that you refuse to accept.

Just take a few minutes to look and you'll see...

how FEW people agree with you...

compared to the MANY who make fun of your posts.