Yes, there are reasons, however the latter hasn't seemed to affect either MotoGP, F1 or other major series.
Those running WRC need to realise 'dead time' is a killer for interest in a series.
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Yes, there are reasons, however the latter hasn't seemed to affect either MotoGP, F1 or other major series.
Those running WRC need to realise 'dead time' is a killer for interest in a series.
Ten years ago. Loutraki 2012.
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Apparently the Rally1 cars being finalized so late also affected that, the teams couldn't ship their overseas early enough. Although contrary to what they say here, the cars are typically not shipped to Americas, but flown in, only the service gear and spare parts are shipped.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
https://www.rallit.fi/torppaako-yhdy...-kalenterista/
MotoGP runs almost entirely on airfreight.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
F1 runs multiple long haul kits.
I think the issue for WRC teams this year was having the spare parts / hybrid kits ready to put in containers and on the high seas in January.... It's not about the cars themselves.
We all know how far Hyundai was behind in EVERYTHING to do with their homologation / testing. Let alone having duplicate bits and pieces...
I think Hyundai need a new social media manager. Their twitter account is so passive and non enthusiastic, it is like a news website announcing results. Even M-Sport social media were more enthusiastic last year when they were absolutely lost and non competitive.
With victory in Croatia, Kalle Rovanperä becomes the youngest driver to win on all three surfaces; the previous holder of said record was Ogier, 29 years and 2 months at his first Sweden win.
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another deadline setted for Oliver.Quote:
Originally Posted by steve.mandzij
He has 11 months to beat it.
If Toyota hires him he might within 24 months... :) :)Quote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
Wishful thinking... Kalle had massive experience from WRC2 + titles when he sat to the WRC car.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Oliver has to learn in the WRC car mostly now and it isn't going to be that rapid development curve for him.
I know you Per like to have swedish top driver in the WRC ((remember the cases of Tidemand and Bergqvist (i was right in both cases btw)) but bending the real picture doesn't make it real. Kalle is far ahead compared to Oliver and this with or without Toyota
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Same thing with Oliver, Fourmaux and Greensmith - they stepped onto the top level without really winning anything in WRC2 (Oliver was fastest RC2 in Estonia 2020 and Greensmith in Monte 2019), too early.
https://youtu.be/HvRter4JC1M
Another Biasion interview.
I will post it here. In Polish rally, there was a life-threatening accident. These guys were extremely lucky
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rA1_5oQuZ_w
The expectations on Oliver is massive. Both here and elsewhere.
Therefore I´d say you guys are judging him much harder than for example Loubet, Fourmaux et others.
Having said that it´s fair to say he has done some bad performances. Finland last year was one. Croatia on Saturday was drvers error as well, but - if car wasn´t burning he´d started on Sunday. Sp outcome of his off was far worse and out of his boundarys.
No one can deny Olivers progress and speed. What I´ve said is that every driver have offs in their early careers. Kalle too. Why judge Oliver harder than other drivers?
About Tidemand and Bergkvist, it was a discussion about money and funding.
A driver who can´t compete frequently on top level, will never gain the speed needed for titles. So about Tidemand and Bergkvist no one have the answers, where they´d been if they had best opportunities.
I'm not saying a driver should not be allowed to make mistakes, everyone does. And I'm not judging Oliver harder than Fourmaux. I just said that these two drivers were lifted onto the top class too early. They haven't practiced winning, driving clean rallies from begin to end when there is tough competition.
We always make the comparison to Rovanperä, and we can see that he made mistakes in the beginning of his WRC2 career (Argentina 2018, Monte 2019, Sweden 2019, Corsica 2019, Deutschland 2019, Turkey 2019) but around this time he was also winning a lot. Wales 2018, Catalunya 2018 (against Kopecky!), Chile 2019, Portugal 2019, Sardinia 2019, Finland 2019, Wales 2019. I'm not even counting Australia 2017 because he was the only car in the class. Meanwhile in Finland 2018 a technical fault stole his win. When he stepped into the WRC car, it was no more learning, he was right away up there fighting for stage wins and podiums. It was just small refinement and learning to get to winning.
I know that Fourmaux is difficult to compare since his car was not on the same level last year and he still was up there in stage times. Oliver managed one 3rd stage time in Arctic Rally on the WRC car and a couple of fourth places there and in Monza. Oliver's WRC2 season in 2021 was particularly horrible.
Luckily, both the driver and co-driver are OK. The aftermath:Quote:
Originally Posted by flat_right
https://rallypl.com/wp-content/uploa...618-scaled.jpg
I think this goes for Fourmaux and Solberg, but also for several others in the past (Camilli...): They went to WRC too early. I think you need at least 2 seasons in WRC2 fighting for wins at least, before making the step to WRC. You don't have the time (anymore) to learn the rallies and the driving while you are in a WRC.
Reminded me of Kubicas accident. They were lucky!Quote:
Originally Posted by flat_right
I would even add Tänak into this list. IMO 2012 was still too early for him to step into WRC.Quote:
Originally Posted by dupanton
Small 4 stage rally in Turku, Finland has 2 ex. FORD drivers making "comeback" after long long break, in co-drivers side:
Suvi Jyrkiäinen - Antony Warmbold FORD Fiesta (Suvi is daughter of Minna Sillankorva, She did some Mazda factory drives with RX7 and 323 FWD in 80´s)
Roope Hirvonen -Mikko Hirvonen FORD Focus (Son/Dad)
https://akk.autourheilu.fi/Public/Ki....aspx?id=15093
They have a new one!Quote:
Originally Posted by bomber21
Was thinking about Hyundai and why they started so late with the new WRC car and I don't know if it has been discussed here but maybe the reason was that they were waiting for Christian Loriaux arrival to the team? And maybe this was the reason why Ford started so early that they knew Loriaux would be departing and needed as much input from him as possible.
Loriaux wasn't working on rally cars at M-Sport during his last years.Quote:
Originally Posted by flat_right
I think When Loriaux came to Hyundai, he wanted to re-design the car throughly, which set them back more weeks, or even months. Although it could be just Adamo shit talking to explain why they were so late.
late ok from Korean headquarters could be a reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by flat_right
Even worse…Quote:
Originally Posted by Lancia Stratos
Late Ok from headquarters + late arrival from Loriaux and other engineers
Ott mentioned it in the betsafe podcast
nice one from wrc social:
https://www.facebook.com/WorldRally/...9009558800678/
Second round of World Endurance Championship in Spa:
Ogier's Richard Mille Racing Team finished 8th in LMP2 class, out of 15. A bit of a joke of a race, more than half of the race under yellow / safety car / red flag. Impossible to properly compare Ogier's times with his teammates because as it rained a lot, conditions varied massively.
Not a good drive by Ogier in my opinion. He drove on a very wet track, got overtaken by 2 competitors and then went off, hitting the barriers and losing 2 more places. In typical Ogier fashion, the car was unharmed and he continued (haven't I see this before? :D )
Later he went off in the gravel again and went to the pits to change nose (so maybe the contact with the barriers did damage the car a little). His team was close to last in category, but later they managed to recover places thanks to favourable safety cars / tyre changes.
Meanwhile, the other Seb is leading a second FIA world rally championship like the unstoppable force that he is. Sorry if that point has been made, I only just noticed. Loeb leads Al-Attiyah 112 to 111 pts after 2 rounds with 2 to go.
https://www.worldrallyraidchampionsh.../rankings/fia1
IDK why but I dont get the feeling of a WORLD RALLY event in Croatia and Ypres (last year).
Same for Monza and the Artic rally too. I dont know, these four places screeeeam "Rally2" only. Not sure what you think but I'd ditch Croatia and Ypress for 2023 in a heartbeat
I don't know what you're on but Croatia is easily one of the most exciting events on the calendar.Quote:
Originally Posted by lmmjvss
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i think it's just because we already knew those rallies before.Quote:
Originally Posted by lmmjvss
A lot of people don't get the WORLD RALLY feeling at any WRC event these days.Quote:
Originally Posted by lmmjvss
I find it still a bit of a pity that Ogier is having this big WEC chance when Neuville did so well in his one and only Touring Car race in 2019 https://tintopguru.wordpress.com/tag/thierry-neuville/Quote:
Originally Posted by focus206
Ott Tänak on the Betsafe blog about Dirtfish' article "Is WRC+ Really Changing Rallying?"
"This option has certainly completely changed the nature of the rally. In the old days, the rally was more of an adventure, where it was important to write a good legend with two passes. Today, everyone can adjust their legend from video to someone who is faster, which is why racing has become very intense, with young people learning through video tests and taking it as a circuit race. Of course, we also work through the videos to take advantage of the experience of all the riders in case someone made a mistake or got a surprise somewhere."
I can understand about correcting/adjusting the notes, checking difficult places from All Live but hasn't the video part and checking the legend (and memorizing it) available for couple of decades already? At least as long as Ott has been driving? No?
I ’ve heard Grönholm was one of the first to film their recces. But other drivers’ onboards weren’t available until 2014Quote:
Originally Posted by flat_right
This used to be a nice bar until AlanRok turned up.
Cant We really do something regarding that?
It’s getting out of hands and so annoying
This is slowly getting out of hand yes.
Jesus, please ban the spam bots.
Are all of us reporting in to the management about the ROK family?
Who on the forum are responsible to ban them from posting?
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And by the way where is Mirek theese days, miss his posts here!