another school shooting in U.S. of A. :(

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Originally Posted by nigelred5

There will be civil unrest the day the federal government tries to enter and forcibly remove firearms from law abiding citizens.

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I really don't see the point. As I mentioned before there are 200+million firearms in the United States of America, and I cannot see any procedure, protocol that could possibly be effective in anyone's lifetime to take back guns. All that can be done is a voluntary handback of guns but I cannot see that happening either. In other words , citizens of the United States of America are in a Catch 22 situation, and the only solution is when the "Good Guys" shoot all the "Bad Guys" like the Rifle Association advocates. Inthe meanwhile, people in the United States of America will continue to die from gunshot wounds like this: Huffington Post lists the 100 shot dead in week since Sandy Hook as NRA calls for armed cops in every school | News.com.au

And just in case, this comes up: No! bullet proof back packs will not work - it will just make any nutter aim for the head.

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Originally Posted by gloomyDAY

The purpose of having the 2nd Amendment is to stop the USA government from walking all over you, and taking away your rights. Wacky Wayne now points the finger to everything except for guns in a shooting spree, and proposes that American schools each have an armed guard, most likely paid by the government, on the premises?

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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/22/op...ole.html?_r=1&
In the 62 mass-murder cases over 30 years examined recently by the magazine Mother Jones, not one was stopped by an armed civilian. We have known for many years that a sheriff’s deputy was at Columbine High School in 1999 and fired at one of the two killers while 11 of their 13 victims were still alive. He missed four times.
People like Mr. LaPierre want us to believe that civilians can be trained to use lethal force with cold precision in moments of fear and crisis. That requires a willful ignorance about the facts. Police officers know that firing a weapon is a huge risk; that’s why they avoid doing it.
- Editorial, New York Times, 21st Dec 2012

Perhaps we should review who Wayne LaPierre is:
Letter of Resignation Sent By Bush to Rifle Association - NYTimes.com
I was outraged when, even in the wake of the Oklahoma City tragedy, Mr. Wayne LaPierre, executive vice president of N.R.A., defended his attack on federal agents as "jack-booted thugs." To attack Secret Service agents or A.T.F. people or any government law enforcement people as "wearing Nazi bucket helmets and black storm trooper uniforms" wanting to "attack law abiding citizens" is a vicious slander on good people.
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However, your broadside against Federal agents deeply offends my own sense of decency and honor; and it offends my concept of service to country. It indirectly slanders a wide array of government law enforcement officials, who are out there, day and night, laying their lives on the line for all of us.

You have not repudiated Mr. LaPierre's unwarranted attack. Therefore, I resign as a Life Member of N.R.A., said resignation to be effective upon your receipt of this letter. Please remove my name from your membership list. Sincerely, [ signed ] George Bush
- Published in the New York Times, May 11, 1995.

Wayne LaPierre caused the then President of the US to resign his membership of the NRA. Is this the image that the NRA wish to project? Who do they actually represent, gun owners or manufacturers?

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Originally Posted by Rollo

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/22/op...ole.html?_r=1&
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Wayne LaPierre caused the then President of the US to resign his membership of the NRA. Is this the image that the NRA wish to project? Who do they actually represent, gun owners or manufacturers?

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Manufacturers , I reckon. It is incredible how much strength this well organised lobby can wield on politicians. The only way to fight them is on FACEBOOK, although I really don't think that would work.

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Originally Posted by Valve Bounce

It is incredible how much strength this well organised lobby can wield on politicians.

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And indeed on the general population. You can make people do all sorts of crazy stuff by constantly keeping them fearful. Fighting against "the government" and making them out to be the bad guy is also a cheap an easy thing to do because no-one questions that.

I am a staunch advocate of responsible gun ownership, but I am not a member of the NRAa because of their tactics.
I agree whole heartedly that something needs to be done, however they need to start with actually enforcing the existing laws we have. Until I see proof that firearms are no longer in the hands of criminals, the majority of firearms owners will not even consider surrendering theirs. I know I won't.

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Originally Posted by Rollo

And indeed on the general population. You can make people do all sorts of crazy stuff by constantly keeping them fearful. Fighting against "the government" and making them out to be the bad guy is also a cheap an easy thing to do because no-one questions that.

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You can look straight to the media that perpetuates the fear. Fwiw, I work for the federal government.

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Originally Posted by nigelred5

There will be civil unrest the day the federal government tries to enter and forcibly remove firearms from law abiding citizens.

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So, a law is legally changed by a democratically elected government an because some citizens don't agree, they will break the Law.

Do you agree with this course of action? Democracy whn it suits you?

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

So, a law is legally changed by a democratically elected government an because some citizens don't agree, they will break the Law.

Do you agree with this course of action? Democracy whn it suits you?

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Our country was not founded on majority rules alone. It was founded on the principle of majority rule with protection of the rights of minorities.

Wacky Wayne was interviewed this morning, and clarified the NRA's stance on gun laws.

NRA chief: If putting armed police in schools is crazy, 'then call me crazy' - NBC Politics

Talk about your head in the sand...

Edit: I suggest people watch the video, so you can get an understanding of how badly Wacky Wayne is out of touch with reality.

To quote a quote from senator (Democrat) Schumer:
Schumer said that LaPierre believes "the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is good guy with a gun. What about trying to stop the bad guy from getting the gun in the first place? That's common sense. Most Americans agree with it"