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Οgier.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
These days nobody said that Malcolm hadnt got good drivers.Simply Loeb was better.We are talking about other years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Gronholm and Hirvonen were fighting for wins and championships.They didnt placed 2nd from others retirements,and they werent minutes behind leader at every rally.There is a small difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
They won two manu' championships with Gronholm...
...and Hirvonen. Two manu’s titles in almost 20 WRC full seasons sounds a bit short. And zero driver’s titles even more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
Maybe from '03 (after failing 01' and '02 titles with Sainz and McRae on the team) MSport running budgets were always a bit shorter than competition or maybe Wilson just follows Mr. Ferrari (and many others former or current teams owners) concept that drivers are human resources that must adapt to the structure and never the structure to them (like wisely Citroen and VW did with Loeb and Ogier).
Anyway, WRC roll of honour doesn't reflect MSport winning potential and their amazing achievements as a private company at the rally sport.
Yeah so they had some bad years, but there were reasons - financial mostly, or simply not being in the right place at the right time (to get Ogier).Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
But as they didnt get him its not that important who they did get, as no-one beats Ogier. Wilson has had the best of the rest over the years (Solberg, Gronholm, Hirvonen, Latvala, Ostberg etc) but no-one beats Loeb or Ogier, so its a thankless task trying to do so.
Ford M-Sport doesnt have a divine right to just sign who they want.... there is the little matter of other Teams who are also battling for the best drivers, often with more finances...
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
And in any WRC era other than Loeb's they would've had some driver's Titles.
In the UK businesses don't pay tax on turnoverQuote:
Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
Martin was a top drawer driver, closer to being a Loeb IMO than Solberg ever was. Gard/Kresta, are you serious? the car wasn't the best by that season and they were looking at the development of the next years car.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
The flying Scotsman failed MSport in his time there and with a cooler head would have won a title there, Gronholm IMO didn't fail but in pretty much any other era his and MSport efforts together would have produced a drivers title.
car wasnt good at Kresta -Garde days? i dont think so...Quote:
Originally Posted by Nornbugger
I didn't say it wasn't good, I said it wasn't the best, the Xsara was the best in 05, and in 06 and possible still was in 07 if Citroen hadn't stopped using it.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
how you know that?