Kimi's future - No racing in 2010?

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Originally Posted by X-ecutioner

That's because it's unacceptable at Ferrari, and the "tifosis" also are not okay with that. Extensive research has shown that the scarlet team and its "true" fans prefer a driver who absolutely HAS to have these talents below:

1. Has to be a cheat or involved in at least two or more F1 scandals, punt opponents off track to win championships, park in the middle of the track and then shrug his shoulders as if nothing happened. Apparently honesty is not an admired quality, too boring for them.

2. Has to slap the car, beat his chest, jump on the podium, wave around to the fans, have a smile extending beyond his face, a long chin or jaw, kiss and hug every mechanic in the garage, and gift them self-signed posters, and send postcards for Christmas. All this to show he cares, or else they don't feel "appreciated."

3. Do an extremely irritating impression of a concert maestro when the Italian national anthem is playing. *shudders*

Damn, all Kimi had to do was to sell his soul to the devil and take some lessons in acting your a$$ off for the camera. If he ends up at Mclaren, I guess he won't have to do anything extra than driving the pants off that car for the money he is paid........hopefully.

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Best post ever!! :D :D :D :D

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Originally Posted by X-ecutioner

That's because it's unacceptable at Ferrari, and the "tifosis" also are not okay with that. Extensive research has shown that the scarlet team and its "true" fans prefer a driver who absolutely HAS to have these talents below:

1. Has to be a cheat or involved in at least two or more F1 scandals, punt opponents off track to win championships, park in the middle of the track and then shrug his shoulders as if nothing happened. Apparently honesty is not an admired quality, too boring for them.

2. Has to slap the car, beat his chest, jump on the podium, wave around to the fans, have a smile extending beyond his face, a long chin or jaw, kiss and hug every mechanic in the garage, and gift them self-signed posters, and send postcards for Christmas. All this to show he cares, or else they don't feel "appreciated."

3. Do an extremely irritating impression of a concert maestro when the Italian national anthem is playing. *shudders*

Damn, all Kimi had to do was to sell his soul to the devil and take some lessons in acting your a$$ off for the camera. If he ends up at Mclaren, I guess he won't have to do anything extra than driving the pants off that car for the money he is paid........hopefully.

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You forgot

4. Win 5 World titles on the trot, an era of total domination unsurpassed and untouched in the history of Formula One.

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Originally Posted by tamburello

You forgot

4. Win 5 World titles on the trot, an era of total domination unsurpassed and untouched in the history of Formula One.

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And add to that, win those titles by hitting other cars if necessary or ordering a teammate to slow down before start/finish line on the final lap. Or stopping deliberately in the middle of the track in quali to gain advantage. We don't have those kinds of people over here, so we'll just have to do with these silent types such as Häkkinen or Kimi who only win one or two championships.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Very unfair, in my opinion.

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Agreed.

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Originally Posted by X-ecutioner

That's because it's unacceptable at Ferrari, and the "tifosis" also are not okay with that. Extensive research has shown that the scarlet team and its "true" fans prefer a driver who absolutely HAS to have these talents below:

1. Has to be a cheat or involved in at least two or more F1 scandals, punt opponents off track to win championships, park in the middle of the track and then shrug his shoulders as if nothing happened. Apparently honesty is not an admired quality, too boring for them.

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I don't remember Senna and JPM ever being Ferrari drivers. :\

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Originally Posted by X-ecutioner

2. Has to slap the car, beat his chest, jump on the podium, wave around to the fans, have a smile extending beyond his face, a long chin or jaw, kiss and hug every mechanic in the garage, and gift them self-signed posters, and send postcards for Christmas. All this to show he cares, or else they don't feel "appreciated."

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I'd like to work with such people. people who show enthusiasm for their work and who appreciate team work.

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Originally Posted by X-ecutioner

3. Do an extremely irritating impression of a concert maestro when the Italian national anthem is playing. *shudders*

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I can only shudder when I think about how you would have condemned him to death if it would have been the Indian anthem. :D

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Originally Posted by DexDexter

And add to that, win those titles by hitting other cars if necessary...

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I suppose you can back this up.

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Originally Posted by DexDexter

or ordering a teammate to slow down ...

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Are you talking about Brazil 2007?!

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Originally Posted by DexDexter

Or stopping deliberately in the middle of the track

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Never proven.

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Originally Posted by DexDexter

in quali to gain advantage.

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What advantage?

Or maybe starting last was what got him 5th place on a track where it's almost impossible to overtake?
Wait he can't be that good. :laugh:

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Originally Posted by ioan

I suppose you can back this up.



Are you talking about Brazil 2007?!



Never proven.



What advantage?

Or maybe starting last was what got him 5th place on a track where it's almost impossible to overtake?
Wait he can't be that good. :laugh:

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You're just coming of a ban and I know you see red when discussing a certain German driver, so for the sake of this discussion board, I will not comment on the above. And I don't want to bother our only moderator.

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Originally Posted by keysersoze

Kimi, I'm put off with your apparent attitude about going to a team like Toyota, saying something to the effect that you don't want to drive a slow car.

What, do you lack confidence in making a car quicker? The current 'Yoter has proven time and again that it is a Q3 car, and has even found its way to the front row several times as well as a pair of 2nd place finishes.

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A driver cannot make a car quicker, only engineers can do that. There is a reason why top drivers avoid Toyota like plague and that is that for years they have had a massive budget, but they have done nothing.
Going to Toyota would be a sign of a driver taking the easy road and just racing for money. Kimi has refused to do that and cares about winning.
Funny, if I was him, I would do the same.

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Originally Posted by keysersoze

Koz perfectly answered your question for me.

Alonso could have taken 2008 off; instead, for two years he drove what was clearly not a top car. Alonso perhaps knows there is honor in getting the best out of the car and the team--that winning isn't the only satisfaction.

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He had no other choice. If he had taken 2 years off, it would have harmed his career massively. There was no honour involved, just the fact that he was fired by McLaren and wanted to save his career.

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Originally Posted by Koz

I recall in 2007 Fernando said "I will be in F1 in 2008", didn't he?

He didn't turn into a pansy and say "Oh if Ferrari don't offer me a seat then, then F1 can go to hell." - This is what Kimi has said.

Kimi made his money and now just does not care, simple as that.

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Kimi cares about only one thing. Winning. Other than that, he is not interested in driving for money in a team that cannot fight for podiums.

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IMO, if Alonso had no other choice, he would have gone USF1 or whatever.

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Thats up to him.

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Originally Posted by keysersoze

Because if you had been watching F1 this season, you may have noticed Ferrari weren't that good.

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But everyone knows next year they will be great again.
Alonso on the other hand, the super-developer he is, has done nothing with Renault for the last two years.

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Originally Posted by tamburello

Seriously, though.....Misunderstood personality?

This is supposedly a professional top-class Formula One driver, not some teenage emo.

At $45million per annum, Kimi owed a debt to his employers to be understood. The way he let Massa (with Schumacher's support, true enough) lead the development of the F2008 away from Kimi's preferred style was not the actions of a motivated man nor of a man who understood what his role should be.

There is no way that Schumacher, nor Fernando nor Hamilton would have been so lame.

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He is obviously a very shy person and not a leader or some to give motivational speeches and talk 24/7. That was obvious to everyone, all the time. If you want someone to cry and talk a lot of nonsense, Alonso is the perfect material. But prepared by get attacked by him, if Massa happens to be faster.
I hope Ferrari will have a disasterous year in 2010, Massa will leave and I can start cheering for him again.

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Originally Posted by Dave Brockman

As outsiders, we'll never really know. It's true that to the outside world Kimi presents a rather bland personality (or lack thereof), but he's won a World Championship with the team and recently bagged several podiums out of a car which has had no development since the summer, so he can't be all that bad!

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Well, for someone, if you arent like Flavio Briatore and talk a lot of nonsense all the time and say controversial things, you have no personality. But is that really so?

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Originally Posted by ioan

Never proven.

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We are both Schumacher fans and we both know what he did at Monaco in 2006. Even Ross Brawn admitted it at the end of the year.
He was always prepared to push the rules to very limit and that was a case of that.

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Originally Posted by Garry Walker

Well, for someone, if you arent like Flavio Briatore and talk a lot of nonsense all the time and say controversial things, you have no personality. But is that really so?

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I don't think so.

We can't judge drivers on their media appearances.

Look, I'm not a mod, and everyone knows how I felt about SchM. But this thread is about Kimi - so let's keep that diatribes about other drivers out of it guys!! Kimi is MY favourite driver, so lay off that other stuff!!