Singapore 2008: Briatore and Symmonds resign

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Originally Posted by Saint Devote

Formula 1 has lost. It has always been great to have Briatore around and he made both the Bennetton and Renault team what they were. A great atmosphere with rock music and fun yet still able to get on with the task.

People have gotten too crazy about this issue. After all it was no more serious than Michael Schumacher ramming into Damon Hill or trying to do the same to Jacques Villeneuve.

And which racing team has never tried to bend the rules to breaking point or in years gone by when tv was not so intrusive sort of "knocked" into a another driver on the back end of a circuit?

And what occurrs in Vegas stays in Vegas - a previous season's issues should remain closed but instead we have this typical nanny state investigation ready to blow up.

And Nelson Piquet - if ever there was a spoilt little bitch that should never be given the chance to sit in a f1 racing car again, then he is the bitch.

I wish Flavio and Symonds well. Their record of achievement and the enjoyment they have provided fans over the years far outweighs this overblown saga.

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Originally Posted by keysersoze

Dennis and Flavio got what was coming to him, but to praise Max is a bit rich, no?

Whether he was guilty of exhibiting disrespect towards Jews or not, his "activity" was creepy, disgraceful, and perhaps demented. His vote-of-confidence was not an affirmation of his good character, but ONLY a machiavellian (and I might add cowardly) measure taken by the panel.

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Get a grip on reality. It's not about praising the son of a Nazi-Fascist sympathizer. What Mosely has done is no different from the Machiavellian instincts or actions found in the boardroom of FORTUNE 500 companies.

F1 has a history full of shady, cut-throat individuals. Even to this day nothing has changed in the dog-eat-dog world that surrounds F1. The soap operas will continue, whether you like it or not.

After all, many of these car-nazi's (manufacturers in F1) have performed atrocities that's well beyond the scope of Nazi Germany. In the past (and even today) many of them have sold death boxes (cars) with crappy engineering or lackluster safety standards. All in the name of the mighty dollar but at a cost of millions of lives on the road.

An appearance was made today at the Renault F1 Team facility at Enstone by Dave Richards, according to SPEEDTV http://formula-one.speedtv.com/artic...-over-renault/

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Originally Posted by Saint Devote

Formula 1 has lost. It has always been great to have Briatore around and he made both the Bennetton and Renault team what they were. A great atmosphere with rock music and fun yet still able to get on with the task.

People have gotten too crazy about this issue. After all it was no more serious than Michael Schumacher ramming into Damon Hill or trying to do the same to Jacques Villeneuve.

And which racing team has never tried to bend the rules to breaking point or in years gone by when tv was not so intrusive sort of "knocked" into a another driver on the back end of a circuit?

And what occurrs in Vegas stays in Vegas - a previous season's issues should remain closed but instead we have this typical nanny state investigation ready to blow up.

And Nelson Piquet - if ever there was a spoilt little bitch that should never be given the chance to sit in a f1 racing car again, then he is the bitch.

I wish Flavio and Symonds well. Their record of achievement and the enjoyment they have provided fans over the years far outweighs this overblown saga.

The Renault company panicked and in doing so it has destroyed the structure of a race winning and championship able team.

I see absolutely no reason now for Alonso to remain at Renault and predict that they will likely become also-rans unless they can hire someone like Dave Richards of Pro-Drive.

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:rotflmao: :p : :rotflmao:

The activities of Max Mosely's father have nothing to do with his son. While the sexual proclivities of Max Mosely may be less than orthodox, he also has done far more for being in f1 than not.

Do not be hypocrites and judge these men on the one issue where their judgement [and the Renault issue is still hearsay] may have been weak.

But I guess it is easy to point fingers sitting safe behind a computer and never having to make judgements of signficant consequence.

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Originally Posted by Saint Devote

The activities of Max Mosely's father have nothing to do with his son. While the sexual proclivities of Max Mosely may be less than orthodox, he also has done far more for being in f1 than not.

Do not be hypocrites and judge these men on the one issue where their judgement [and the Renault issue is still hearsay] may have been weak.

But I guess it is easy to point fingers sitting safe behind a computer and never having to make judgements of signficant consequence.

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Mea Culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa. :(

If you read the materials (link was posted above) flavio comes across as a p.o.s scumbag. He offers no meaningful input on the race radio. He just makes some disrespectful comments. Thats his contribution. If I owned the team and read these materials I would can him too, whether he knew about the cheating conspiracy or not.

In one way, I'm glad to see the back of Flavio, since his insistence that in his mind brainless so-called entertainment mattered more than the technical side and could have ruined the sport had he managed to get more involved - stick to selling clothes and running your underachieving 2nd division football team (no offence to any genuine QPR fans out there!)

Still, he's been a fixture since I started watching in the early 90s so it seems a bit weird.

OK, I'm going to ask this, and I don't have time to read through all 30-odd pages so apologies if this has already been brought up, but who exactly is in charge of the Renault F1 team now, even if just for four races?

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Originally Posted by V12

In one way, I'm glad to see the back of Flavio, since his insistence that in his mind brainless so-called entertainment mattered more than the technical side and could have ruined the sport had he managed to get more involved - stick to selling clothes and running your underachieving 2nd division football team (no offence to any genuine QPR fans out there!)

Still, he's been a fixture since I started watching in the early 90s so it seems a bit weird.

OK, I'm going to ask this, and I don't have time to read through all 30-odd pages so apologies if this has already been brought up, but who exactly is in charge of the Renault F1 team now, even if just for four races?

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Aside from Williams-Head, Briatore is the most successful team principle out there. It is not accidental that he signed Schumacher and Alonso and managed the team to where both drivers won consecutive world titles apiece.

This is a man you deride?

I urge you to look at the facts and reconsider your position.

What does the technical side bring to f1 on its own? Nothing. Whether the cars have carbon fibre brake discs or steel ones is immaterial to fans that care about the racing on the track - for example.

And it is not accidental that today di Montezemolo has sounded a warning about declining interest in f1 as represented this year in spectator interest. That it took an aging injured ex-world champion's potential retun to raise excitement is an indictment of the current state of affairs.

Yes, Briatore is not a technical person but he brought a different perspective to f1 and his ideas were acted upon to the degree that he was the leader in and of FOTA and its break-away series position.

Do not dismiss Briatore lightly - the sport has lost a very valuable contributor and all the silly celebration that is being exhibited on these message boards over it is misguided.

Of course the resentment may be caused by jealously because he will likely retire to his island with his extremely beautiful wife and family and continue to run his exclusive billionaires club - amongst his members being JayZee.

Nothing like success to raise resentment :s mokin:

On the other hand unless the FIA does something stupid like ban him for life, if I were a new team I would try and hire him as team principle - lets see: Adrian Campos or Flavio Briatore as manager...... duh!!!

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Originally Posted by rabf1

If you read the materials (link was posted above) flavio comes across as a p.o.s scumbag. He offers no meaningful input on the race radio. He just makes some disrespectful comments. Thats his contribution. If I owned the team and read these materials I would can him too, whether he knew about the cheating conspiracy or not.

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OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooo You naughty, naughty man!! what a thing to say! What a terrible thing to say!! :eek:

And just when we were going to forward his name to the Vatican so he can be canonized!! :(