another school shooting in U.S. of A. :(

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Originally Posted by ioan

Baggy, I think there is some misunderstanding here. Allow me to quote again your original sentence:



Now, how can you compare driving passengers around with your car with the 'real sense of power' given by a using/owning a gun?

Either my English has deteriorated a lot, or you should have phrased your first post differently.

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"...there typically is a certain thrill factor when shooting certain types of firearms that can easily be compared to driving certain types of high performance cars." Jag_Warrior

That's reasonably accurate , as I see it .

It's danger , I guess .
It's a thrill to have the tires singing on the edge of grip around a corner because of the danger .

That makes me respect the edge , and know where it is .

I guess , to be more accurate , I should added "because of the danger involved ." .


What Jag described as a date wouldn't be something I'd think of for a date .
Now , go-karts would be a different story .

I can't say I even know of any gun clubs around here .
The average redneck around these parts does have a few rifles , a few more fishing rods , and a truck with big tires to thrash on the weekends that neither deer season or favourite fish seasons are open .

In case you did not know by now, there's panic buying all across the USA due to the Sandy Hook shooting, and the announcements from certain politicians to reform gun laws. There's a run on everything from Glock 17s, AR-15s (none under $1000), and even 30-round magazines. The purchasing prices for these items has reached a high level of stupidity. Yes, I do understand the supply and demand curve, but the panic buying has reached worse proportions than in 2008 when Obama was elected, and the NRA conducted a smear campaign to increase gun sales.

I will state again that I am a proud gun owner, but the NRA does not represent me, not in the least. The rhetoric coming out of this organization makes me think of scared group of men, huddled in a corner, firmly gripping their weapons, and looking for a way out of jam. I also do not agree with my fellow countrymen that the status quo should be upheld in USA. The NRA is responsible for the $30 billion per annum gun industry in America, and when mass shootings happen, then it's time to face the music. The NRA are cowards. The NRA are an embarrassment to responsible gun owners. The NRA should have at least had the temerity to find a reasonable solution to avoiding another mass shooting, not completely shut out criticism. They've stupidly suggested that the only way to prevent another Sandy Hook is to hire armed guards at every school.

Do you know what the future of USA entails? Here is the future. Some parents have thrown in the towel and decided that bulletproofing their children is a better idea than dealing with guns.

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Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior

Other than to say that the Sandy Hook shooting was a horrible tragedy, I have no interest in getting into this 650 post pissing contest.

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Afraid of a little criticism? I don't think this is a piss contest. Twenty kids are dead, and it's getting swept under our American rug because it's a necessary sacrifice for gun-owning freedom. No, that's senseless. I don't want to be a part of that whatsoever.

If you want to get a "thrill" as you mentioned, then lose a few pounds and buy a 1000cc motorbike.

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Originally Posted by gloomyDAY

If you want to get a "thrill" as you mentioned, then lose a few pounds and buy a 1000cc motorbike.

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Dang! I never knew Jag had extra pounds http://www.motorsportforums.com/webk...AD8B8BE/oh.gif but I did know that being on a powerful motorbike is a pleasure that I have feasted on and yes, I did own a bee-bee gun when I was young and many birds have signed a petition to send me to bird hell when that time comes.


What I do know that has to be done (my personal opinion) as I contribute to reach our goal of a gazillion posts on this thread is that the second amendment of the USA's constitution should be allowed to - as it's name clearly states- to be amended: making the ownership of fire arms a privilege (not a right).

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Originally Posted by Roamy

Race - People have to be trained properly in the positions of security. The above could have all been easily prevented if the security people had the slightest clue. People think arming a guy and letting them sit around or walk around is security - it is a joke.

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So you think people like anthonyvop would be able to do better? Really?

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Originally Posted by Roamy

Any of the above would be tough to defense though as the shooters had permission to be there.

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In which case, then, where does the problem lie?

I don't think the solution should ever be found in turning such places (I live the army base aside for obvious reasons) into armed fortresses.

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Originally Posted by Roamy

As we continue down the path bombs will become more and more prevalent and the dead innocents will increase. Sad but the world is what we have made it.

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I don't feel it's what I have made it, but each to their own.

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Originally Posted by gloomyDAY

Afraid of a little criticism? I don't think this is a piss contest. Twenty kids are dead, and it's getting swept under our American rug because it's a necessary sacrifice for gun-owning freedom. No, that's senseless. I don't want to be a part of that whatsoever.

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I've been on this message board for going on 13 years, Gloomy. Have you ever gotten the sense that there's anything shy about me or that I'm afraid of a discussion or criticism? ;) But I have no real desire to restate the exact same opinion that I've expressed dozens of times in dozens of threads when this exact same topic has come up before. It always starts the same way and it always ends the same way. What is this, like an episode of Lost? No, because even Jacob said, "It only ends once." This will just go on & on & on & on (& on!!!) until someone finally snaps and Mark or Pino have to close the thread.

Look, at this stage of the game, I pretty much know who thinks what. And I assume that anyone who has been here for more than 30 days knows what I think on this topic. Would it tickle your ivories to hear me regurgitate it again? Ask away. What would you like to know about my positions and thoughts on the NRA, gun control, so called assault weapons, etc.??? I have opinions on those topics, as well as what I think is the ideal bra size and hip/waist ratio for women. I'll discuss anything that won't cause Mark to have to ban me before my 13th "birthday"... he's getting me a cake this year and there are going to be pony rides! Yeeeah dawg! I can't wait! :bounce:

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If you want to get a "thrill" as you mentioned, then lose a few pounds and buy a 1000cc motorbike.

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I actually owned a 1200cc motorcycle once upon a time. It was a 70-something Harley-Davidson (Hardly-Ableson) Sportster. I remember it starting... once or twice. Real piece of junk. That was back in the AMF days. But you're probably talking about one of those boy-racer, wannabe sport bike, crotch-rocket thingies. I hate those things. I have no use for them. And I'm not into bikes anymore anyway - I had a taste for a Kawasaki GPZ 750 Turbo waaaay back when... then my brain got fully developed and I've stuck to fast cars and hot womens (or is it hot cars and fast womens?) ever since. But if that's how you get your thrill on Strawberry Hill, go for it, my man. My basic approach to most things is this: To each his own. Buy a Rottweiler to play with your kids if you want to. As long as he doesn't eat my cat or crap in my yard, I honestly do not care what other people do with their time and money.

Oh, my weight is actually just fine - thanks for your concern though. I went and got myself darn healthy this year, after a couple of major scares over the past couple of years. And if you'd like to do a bench press contest for say, $100, I'd be game. I could use some duckets... the TV stand that I had to buy for that new plasma, on top of the new dishwasher, dug into my account a bit. Daddy needs a new pair of shoes.

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Originally Posted by race aficionado

What I do know that has to be done (my personal opinion) as I contribute to reach our goal of a gazillion posts on this thread is that the second amendment of the USA's constitution should be allowed to - as it's name clearly states- to be amended: making the ownership of fire arms a privilege (not a right).

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There's really no "should be" to amending the 2nd Amendment... or any of the other amendments. The long established amendment process for accomplishing that isn't any different for the 2nd than it would be for the 1st or the 15th. It's right there. Easy squeezy.

But considering the attitudes of the American people toward firearms these days, the chances of accomplishing that are about the same as my chance of getting that job with Cosworth Racing back in the 90's - in fact, my chances were probably better. I still didn't get it though. Damn them! If only we could wish for what we want to happen and it would happen, the world would be so much more interesting, eh? :)

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

(I leave the army base aside for obvious reasons)

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fixed it, teehee :andrea: :p

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Originally Posted by Prisoner Monkeys

I'm not an American. I am, however, a teacher. And, at the risk of severely understating my sentiments on the subject, I feel that this proposal to have armed security officers on school grounds at all times is incredibly disturbing.

I for one would not be comfortable teaching in a school with the knowledge that someone was there with a live weapon. And no matter how trustworthy that person might be, I would be unable to overlook the fact that they were placed there by the NRA, and that the NRA placed them there because they did not want to give up the right to bear arms on any level. If I'm reading LaPierre's comments right, they won't even support the reintroduction of a bill banning the ownership of military-grade assault rifles, weapons that - as far as I can see - civilians have no need to own. By extension of this, I feel that the NRA thinks the right to bear arms is more important than protecting the lives and livelihoods of children. Maybe that's an extreme view of the subject, but I can't be the only person thinking it.

Twenty children died at Sandy Hook Elementary. That's about the size of my Year 12 English class. Adam Lanza could have walked into my classroom. Now, LaPierre can stand at that lectern and postulate all he wants, but I know these kids. LaPierre doesn't. I work with them every day. LaPierre doesn't. Maybe his proposal for armed guards at every school will work, but I have to ask myself: what is the lesser evil - risking my students' lives and livelihoods so that LaPierre can enjoy his personal freedoms? Or enduring his fury as one element of his personal freedom is taken away or lessened for the sake of protecting my students? I'd pick the latter every single time.

Charlton Heston once said that the government could only take his gun from his cold, dead hands, and it became a rallying cry for gun lobbyists. But perhaps that time is closer than they or we think - it takes someone truly cold and dead inside to value their gun over the lives of children.

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I'd mentioned earlier our schools have had resource police officers for years. Teachers and students are quite used to them being in the school. I thought in a school with two full time police officers and was actually quite comfortable with them present.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Melt them and make spoons out of the resulting alloy?!

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There will be civil unrest the day the federal government tries to enter and forcibly remove firearms from law abiding citizens.