Hyundai i20 WRC

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Originally Posted by cali

Tidemand is an exception for me, but Per's constant praising is funny as hell.
What comes to estonian guys, than they are way behind Tänak and noone has the maturity to succeed in WRC at this point, although some of them are showing some promise (like many guys in other countries). I like many drivers from different countries, so nationalism is not my thing ;)

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Not mine either, for sure. But there´s not any contradiction in me praising Tidemand. You have to understand that. Beside Neuville (which is a driver already positioned in the top drivers division in WRC) Tidemand is one of very few young guys that has shown the whole package, which I believe Huyndai as well as other teams want out of their drivers, youngsters or seniors.

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Originally Posted by Mirek

You are not correct. Have a look in my post. Cars in the market are generally placed in segments A, B, C, D etc. mainly based on their dimensions.

Segment A - Citroën C1, C2, Peugeot 107, Hyundai i10 (before it was Atos), Ford Ka, Fiat Panda, VW Up, Škoda Citigo, Kia Picanto...
Segment B - Citroën C3, DS3, Peugeot 208, Hyundai i20 (before it was Getz), Ford Fiesta, Fiat Punto, VW Polo, Škoda Fabia, Kia Rio etc.
Segment C - Citroën C4, Peugeot 308, Hyundai i30, Ford Focus, Fiat Bravo, VW Golf, Kia Cee'd etc.

It has not much to do with copying rather than using a brain. Segment B cars are ideal for making cars under current rules. C-ones are too big and heavy, A-ones are too small. Also it's logical to use same class car as Your opponent for marketing purposes - they compete with each other like on the market.

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In what segment you would place Fiat 500? A or B?

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Originally Posted by skarderud

To even mention guys like tanak is a joke. He had all his chances.

both m-sport guys is young still, i think both novikov and østberg would step up a bit in a other team, a big factoryteam will suit them both. Both has also 1yr contracts.

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Novikov and Ostberg this year have( almost )do the same as Tanak.Are they jokes too?

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Originally Posted by skarderud

other young guys that are both fast and lots of 4wd experience, is norwegian guys like Sveinung bieltvedt, Anders grøndal and Eyvind brynhildsen. All of these 3 is blistering fast in N4's, and not only on snow. The would probably beat all in wrc2 if they got the same equipement. Remember grøndal in n4 was fast in sweden against rrc's and s2000's. The other's has the same speed. And atleast grøndal and bieltvedt has never any DNF's :)

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plenty of local drivers are extreme fast vs wrc2 regulars.
Athanassoulas vs Sandell to name just one.Athanassoulas at his first attempt with s2000 car with no testing.For 3 years before that he had rallied 3 times only.other competitors wereNikara,Arai,Al Attiyah,prokop,Flodin ,Araujo.
plenty ofexamples like that.

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Originally Posted by A.F.F.

In what segment you would place Fiat 500? A or B?

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B

It's difficult with some cars, 500 or Mini is a good example.

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Originally Posted by dimviii

Novikov and Ostberg this year have( almost )do the same as Tanak.Are they jokes too?

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1.To me, Novikov and Ostberg have been even bigger dissapointments than Tänak last year.They are factory drivers,they have factory cars, they have a lot of time for testing..but the results table looks more than embarassing.One podium for the whole team?
2. Why I deared to put Tänak in potential list? As Cali already mentioned. His technical skills are great. It is just astonishing to see that driver (gr N winning driver on the same rally) jumps out from the car at service, takes out his laptop and checks his team-mate WR Car data, tells mechanics what to do and then goes to the next stages. And as it was mentioned before. This WRC has done three rallies and at least two sprints without any failiure. Moreover, in recent rallies he has shown that he knows where is the limit and even if the other driver is in front..he is able to wait and not push over the limit (like in Latvia). And he is thinking more strategically (like in Viru rally, he decided to push when he had advantage - second on the road, road was damp, first few km-s were on tarmac and very tricky stage suited to his older car.

I still maintain Ott T will win WRC rallies someday. His performance in Sardinia in 2011 was breathtaking and indicative of a big talent. Maybe the M-Sport year was a vital part of growing up. At least I can't be accused of national bias in saying this. (He won't get the Hyudai gig though ;) )

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Originally Posted by Teme

Isn't it Panizzi? Or do you mean someone else?

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No Teme, not Panizzi. This is a guy who has been competing in the World Rally Championship at various levels the past few years. So could well be the second young driver that has been suggested will be at Hyundai.

HAH! Any more obvious Mitch555

dear all please wait for a bit

it'll be petter and hirvonen/sordo/nuveile