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30th March 2016, 18:45
stefanvv

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Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC

Who are all these 'top drivers' that MW wouldn't pay for, apart from Loeb & Ogier (who were settled at Citroen and probably outbid for by VW, respectively) ?

Good question, he already tried to pay top coins for a top driver 15-16 years ago. The outcome wasn't very different.
30th March 2016, 18:54
Fast Eddie WRC

VW have blown every other team out of the water since entering WRC, both financially and technically.

So how can a non -factory team seriously compete, either for titles or for drivers ?

I dont doubt that MW would love to be fighting at the very top, but it just aint possible.
30th March 2016, 19:48
dimviii

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Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC

Who are all these 'top drivers' that MW wouldn't pay for, apart from Loeb & Ogier (who were settled at Citroen and probably outbid for by VW, respectively) ?

Hirvonen ? Latvala ? Neuville ? Ostberg ?

MW has tried them.

He cant be expected to have employed Meeke, Sordo, Mikkelsen and Paddon at some point as well..

what do you want to say,that Wilson offers money and multiyear contracts and nobody goes at Msport?
its his tactics for plenty of years now when he has to pay drivers.Nothing new.
30th March 2016, 19:53
dimviii

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC

VW have blown every other team out of the water since entering WRC, both financially and technically.

So how can a non -factory team seriously compete, either for titles or for drivers ?

I dont doubt that MW would love to be fighting at the very top, but it just aint possible.

when it was possible with maybe the best car (focus 03)choosed Martin,Gardemaister,and Kresta....
30th March 2016, 19:56
Simmi

He tried to sign Loeb. He tried to sign Ogier. He couldn't have been much more public in trying to get Neuville back in a Ford.

He can't provide the same salary or development level on the car as a manufacturer.

Right now there are basically 3-4 guys who are rally-winning calibre drivers. And sometimes I think even that number is too high. So I'm not really sure what he's supposed to do. Safe pair of hands + young driver to nurture is about all we can expect.
30th March 2016, 20:01
gorganl2000

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Originally Posted by EightGear

244.148, actually. The half a million is the total sum for all directors.

The 0 tax expense is because of the R&D Tax credit system, which was introduced to encourage companies to invest in R&D.
Profits can not be carried forward, only losses can. They did so in 2013 for 123.000 pounds.

are the losses carried forward for a maximum period of 5 years for tax purposes?
30th March 2016, 20:06
dimviii

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simmi

He tried to sign Loeb. He tried to sign Ogier. He couldn't have been much more public in trying to get Neuville back in a Ford.

He can't provide the same salary or development level on the car as a manufacturer.

Right now there are basically 3-4 guys who are rally-winning calibre drivers. And sometimes I think even that number is too high. So I'm not really sure what he's supposed to do. Safe pair of hands + young driver to nurture is about all we can expect.

Simmi i dont talk about this year,but for last years.Yes now its impossible to hire a decent driver,even Toyota and Hyundai with plenty of money have similar problem.And when Toyota and Citroen comes,will be more difficult.
When they will be present vw.toyota,hyundai,citroen all of them willing to pay a good salary,its obvious you will hire these will left without drive.
Wilson have find through the years some talents,but didnt managed to keep somebody.All left.
30th March 2016, 20:24
Fast Eddie WRC

Who would have won the WRC in an M-Sport Ford vs. Loeb ? Gronholm and Hirvonen pushed him as close as anyone. Who else should MW have hired ?

As for vs. Ogier/VW - Neuville came second in 2013 and Ostberg was the highest placed non-VW in 2015 ...
30th March 2016, 20:25
RAS007

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Originally Posted by dimviii

when it was possible with maybe the best car (focus 03)choosed Martin,Gardemaister,and Kresta....

2005, the drivers were Gardemeister and Kresta. Arguably a worse line-up than today.
30th March 2016, 20:30
EightGear

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Originally Posted by gorganl2000

are the losses carried forward for a maximum period of 5 years for tax purposes?

I'm not sure about British law but a quick Google search says there's no maximum period.

In the Netherlands the maximum period is 9 years.

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