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10th August 2010, 22:26
ioan

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Originally Posted by eu

wrong. no one cares who wins the wcc. It´s the wdc the one that matters. The fact that Ferrari got the maximum result for both championships is really irritating.

Load of BS.
The money is paid by FOM in function of the constructors championship standings, most teams only care about the WCC.
11th August 2010, 00:11
jas123f1

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Originally Posted by skc

There is no right answer. Lots of wrong ones but bugger all correct options.

Allow eam orders and fans think the series is fixed. People turn off.

Ban team orders and everyone still does it until someone does something silly. People turn off.

Seems that if you have 2 dogs in a team, you is gonna have team orders.

Yes - it's not easy. But if both drivers get the WDC title then team orders are not needed..

E.g. Rubens has a big part in Schumachers carrier, without all team orders would Schumi never have so many titles.
11th August 2010, 00:46
Saint Devote

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Originally Posted by eu

wrong. no one cares who wins the wcc. It´s the wdc the one that matters. The fact that Ferrari got the maximum result for both championships is really irritating.

Dietrich Mateschitz openly stated last year when he attacked Renault that it had cost RBR the Constructirs title and that THAT title is the most iimportant to him.

Do you suppose that Mclaren hired Button to win the WDC because perhaps Lewis was not up to it? Of course not.

Whitmarsh stated that they hired Jenson because his view is that both drivers have different strengths that will show when the others' weakness does - and it has been that way - in order for Mclaren to win the Constructors title.

Ron Dennis openly has a preference for the Constructors.

Ferrari cat say that Alonso won the title in a Ferrari, but if they win the Constructors, then FERRARI is the champion. Period.

And then there is the little matter of money that is allocated depending upon how the teams end in the title table too.

Do not dismiss the importance of this title that is only eight years younger than the WDC to all the people in formula 1.

Unlike any other series, f1 is a constructors championship that sees the mst incrediblly brilliant people using the most advanced technology to the point of invention.

To your last point - it is fantastic when Ferrari do well. It is great for motor racing. I am not a tifosi but when it looks like a Ferrari is going to win, the sight of those most beautiful throughbred racing cars always makes me emotional.

And when a Ferrari is not victorius at the Monza Park Autodromo then there is always something wrong with the world :D
11th August 2010, 05:03
Tazio

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Originally Posted by Saint Devote

Dietrich Mateschitz openly stated last year when he attacked Renault that it had cost RBR the Constructirs title and that THAT title is the most iimportant to him.

Do you suppose that Mclaren hired Button to win the WDC because perhaps Lewis was not up to it? Of course not.

Whitmarsh stated that they hired Jenson because his view is that both drivers have different strengths that will show when the others' weakness does - and it has been that way - in order for Mclaren to win the Constructors title.

Ron Dennis openly has a preference for the Constructors.

Ferrari cat say that Alonso won the title in a Ferrari, but if they win the Constructors, then FERRARI is the champion. Period.

And then there is the little matter of money that is allocated depending upon how the teams end in the title table too.

Do not dismiss the importance of this title that is only eight years younger than the WDC to all the people in formula 1.

Unlike any other series, f1 is a constructors championship that sees the mst incrediblly brilliant people using the most advanced technology to the point of invention.

To your last point - it is fantastic when Ferrari do well. It is great for motor racing. I am not a tifosi but when it looks like a Ferrari is going to win, the sight of those most beautiful throughbred racing cars always makes me emotional.

And when a Ferrari is not victorius at the Monza Park Autodromo then there is always something wrong with the world :D

This is not only an eloquent narrative; it is true in its entirety IMO. Those that do not think the WCC is the primary objective of F1 teams just have not been:
A) Following it long enough, or
A) Are with good reason because of their life experience (age) caught up in the current culture of idol worship and all the tabloid trappings that benefit from it. It is easy to lose sight of how many great team players there have been in distinctly team sports. I applaud F1 for rewarding, and considering the WCC
as the ultimate prize at least financially.
But this is rightly due.
I also believe times have changed and all enthusiasts are probably more inclined to pull for a pilot more than a team. I know I do, and judging by what I read on this forum so does everyone else old-timer or youngster.
I don't hold out much hope for a Ferrari victory at Monza this season, but I have enough of them recorded to ease the disappointment if they don't. It's something about that mass of humanity crowding around the podium that is the stuff dreams are made of! :s ailor:
11th August 2010, 06:13
Valve Bounce

It is possible that when a racesorder is manipulated, these guys might have something to say. : http://www.oddschecker.com/motor-spo...s-championship
11th August 2010, 07:58
CNR

watch the episode of top gear with rubens barrichello
he makes it sound like they were going to fire him there and then

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFMWJMZfNig
11th August 2010, 09:24
pallone col bracciale

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Originally Posted by henners88

Quite true. I'm aware team orders are used at Mclaren, but they are a little more savvy in using them. :)

So, for you, being better liars is more acceptable?

What a disgusting attitude!
11th August 2010, 09:45
Valve Bounce

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Originally Posted by pallone col bracciale

So, for you, being better liars is more acceptable?

What a disgusting attitude!

Surely you are not suggesting thet Ferrari are lousy liars. :eek:
11th August 2010, 09:46
pallone col bracciale

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Originally Posted by thunderbolt

watch the episode of top gear with rubens barrichello
he makes it sound like they were going to fire him there and then

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFMWJMZfNig

There is nothing wrong with this.

If you or I were to disobey an order from the boss, we should expect to be no longer employed.

Of course, there are times when to disobey is the correct thing to do, even if employment termination is the result. That is a matter for the conscience.

But Mr Barrichello did not disobey, he chose to keep his job, so his conscience cannot have been too troubled by the order.
11th August 2010, 09:47
pallone col bracciale

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Originally Posted by Valve Bounce

Surely you are not suggesting thet Ferrari are lousy liars. :eek:

Please read more carefully.

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