last plan at the end did you noticed how he cornered? :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
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last plan at the end did you noticed how he cornered? :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
Who? Loeb? He was amazing, I'm not surprized...Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
I don't how right is the google translation, butQuote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
" After two passages, while people are there for six hours, they are soaked and cars pass 30 km / h in front of them, they say it will be nice to have a drink."
Since when Turini has became so boring... :confused:
Overall this year Monte was for me a proper Monte with varying conditions and difficult tyre choices. Feel sorry for Novikov, Juho and JML that they couldn’t finish. Especially Novikov because he was close to podium.
Of course the cancellation of the two last stages was a disappointment because I was waiting for a final attack from some crew.
Well. At NORF you have the possibility to use tens of alterantive roads for competitor access, ambulance, spectators. In Turini district you have basically three roads. One takes you to the stage, secondQuote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
road takes you from the stage (and to the north) to the next stage and final road takes you from Monaco to the Col de Turini (highest point). When three people fells to the ravine and they need to be taken away by ambulance, another fells and also needs ambulance then you have already problem on how to get another ambulance to the district where normally only a few people lives and closest hospital is more than hour away with such weather. And helicopters cannot fly eighter.
+ indeed very, very extreeeeem weather.
Looks like proper off in 30 km/h :-P I didnt know that VW is so fragile :-PQuote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
But that should be so exciting, isn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by bluuford
30 km/h was the average speed of finished the stage ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by bluuford
Ogier tries to smile? :D
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BBAMGLtCMAAjCqJ.jpg:large
Well, part of my everyday work is to follow and study extreme events (their parameters, character and impact to nature and human). I can tell you that there is a thin line between excitement and stupidity. This is the line where we must admit that we cannot act against the mother nature and we must find the place to hide ourselves. I am pretty sure that during the third pass that line would have been crossed at some point (or location) and there is no need to risk with hudreths of thousands costing cars and with the health of spectators and competitors. They were already able to spectate two passes anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
Ostberg warned the spectators after the first run that he hoped nobody did anything stupid because the drivers didn't have control over the car... There is a limit to be drawn at some point.
But some people keep crying, maybe they need to open their eyes and think clearly for a moment.
The arrival of the winner!
http://sphotos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphoto...53357126_n.jpg
You're probably right, I just wonder if the line of stupidity wouldn't be crossed if they go in these conditions with completely unapropriate tyres (super soft, winter wo/studs)Quote:
Originally Posted by bluuford
EDIT: My point is - if VW can save the studs for the final stages, why couldn't others do the same :confused:
So tell me, why do they choose such stages then? Why do FIA want such a dangerous rally in the WRC if we those security problems even from the start? Just tell me.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluuford
Proper tyres for every possible weather should be a must i RMC. This time it was stupidity from the beginning.
Now goodnight everyone.
I believe when such circumstances could appear they should allow proper tyres from the very beginning, as well. I think, Bluuford, that the line in this case was crossed many times before the cancellation.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
You believe that Citroen with Loeb cruising 3 days hadn t got proper tyres?If Loeb with his driving style had such a problem what about the others?Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
Frankly I don't know what tyres Loeb had for the final 2 stages of the Rally. I just know VW drivers saved their tyres whole 3 days, to be able to finish the Rally properlyQuote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
I wanted to tell you that first two passes were not that bad at all as the third would have been. Yes, these were difficult conditions but not undriveable. Who crashed?
Novikov? he did the same in Spain and twice in France in 2012, both in a really bad conditions. This is the area he still needs to practice a lot.
Latvala? He does it in every kind of conditions and with different car makes ;-)
Hänninen? 0 practice on wet snow conditions. sh*t happens.
Tyres, look at Novikovs studs. I didnt see any missing studs after his crash. they were ok. Same about Latvala. That means, speed was not OK.
In overall, it was veeery nice, spectacular and interesting rally.
Did you noticed that 6 different car makes made it to top 10? Citroen, VW, Ford, Skoda, Peugeot, Mini!
I must admit, this is surprise for me (didn't check the whole 10)Quote:
Originally Posted by bluuford
As for Novikov's studs after the crash, they just look too worn for me, in a matter of speaking - completely ineffective.
You dont know how many tyres left for Citroen,but vw was able to finish the rally properly.....with Latvalas 2 flat tyres,and Ogiers driving style more aggresive than Loebs...Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
One solution solves it all - Summer time and the livin' is easy!
No white stuff, cold, ice, icicles, ruts all the fuss etc., but... little or no drama at all.
Then again - Not good, huh!
Not Citroen - Loeb. Perhaps he could finish the Rally properly too, but I'm not convinced for the whole team. And Ford were probably in the worst condition, but agree, Latvala with 2 punctures was worse than Ogier in tyre choiceQuote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Wait!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Sleep not.
I'm with you on this one.
so how you know that Ogiers tyres were at better conditions than Loebs?Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
explain it can t understant.
Ahaaa, that's the problem, isn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
You miss the point, I don't speak about Loeb in the first place. Perhaps he had no worse tyres than Ogier...Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
In general - why FIA (or organizers, I don't know) doesn't allow proper tyres to be used in these extreme conditions (couldn't Monte Carlo has them?)? And why the best possible tyres teams have are not preserved by them till the very (bad) end?
A must - In case of force majeure circumstances proper tires should be allowed!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Were power stage points awarded for the final run through the Col de Turini, or is that not happening because the final stages were cancelled?
No PS points as it appearsQuote:
Originally Posted by Prisoner Monkeys
How safe are the safety (zero) cars with a front-wheel drive only
(2wd) given the severe weather forecast and the conditions itself :colour: :arrow: :!:
different aproach at this corner from top drivers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6b6X9NdiVDY